[movietub]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

These ICE bans that some countries are attempting to implement by a set date are not gonna happen.

What will happen is these counties will continue to "push" these target dates back again and again.

Overzealous idiotic Politicians!

You're right, but only probably. It's possible that many countries will either stick to or only fractionally delay enforcement of their targets. Germany is one of the countries that appears most likely to achieve their target.

The problem for the auto makers, is that they can't really take the gamble. BMW might well think it's highly unlikely that the 2040 ban will happen on time, but it COULD happen, and they need to be ready for that. Given new car development time they effectively need to start work today (in fact they did, last year) to modify their upcoming platform for electric only. Over the course of the next 2 years it is expected that they will have all electric featuring across 4 ranges (at least one full electric model in each of 4 ranges).

It is also likely that come 2030, many people, both private and trade, would start to have concerns about buying a new ICE car, as they too have to consider the effects on future value of upcoming bans. Even though it won't affect the sale of used cars, it will still cause people to consider how undesirable the cars may come. Basically, it's an unknown - and typically people air on the side of caution if something is unknown/new.

I understand why most people have a hard time imaging a major shift to electric happening anytime soon. But you have to also consider that all auto makers know it will happen eventually, and they all know their future is best secured by getting ready for that as soon as possible, not by playing for time. I think in the end the driving force for this change will be the manufactures more than the politicians. The race, as they say, is already on. It's just not very visible to us right now.

[440xiGCMSport2]

unless they figure out the battery issue with cold losing efficiency or can charge up fully within say 5 minutes. They most likely will come up with a 1 car/household gas car policy or something to that degree or you have to show that you work far enough distance to own a gas car. Can't see an outright ban unless some of these issues are completely solved.

[stvding]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

G80 better be in the mid 3's...

Where does this leave F90?

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by stvding

Where does this leave F90?

Uuuhhh the F90 is roughly around 2.8

[stvding]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Uuuhhh the F90 is roughly around 2.8

Really?!

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by stvding

Really?!

Yup, google is your friend.

[stvding]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Yup, google is your friend.

I mean official number as individually tested number can vary due to tire ground weather on-board weight, etc

[Herakles]

to your points- these 1/4 times are finally very respectable. I mean, mid 13s at low 100s isnt slow, but the LS1 Cars in the early 2000s were running these times.

its nice to think you would have a sport sedan that can run mid 12s out of the box.

might be good to stay put, and wait for certified used M340s in 2022

[FastF30]

Originally Posted by Herakles

might be good to stay put, and wait for certified used M340s in 2022

Plan is to wait for the 3rd year M3 and get that cpo.... by then all the bugs should be worked out...

[dscharrer]

Do you think the M340i will be tuneable to the mid 400hp to match standard M3?
I heard there will be 3 versions of new M3. Pure (RWD) - 425hp, Xdrive - 475hp, and competition - 500hp.

If so, that'll be very similar performance as M3 for $20k less.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by dscharrer

Do you think the M340i will be tuneable to the mid 400hp to match standard M3?
I heard there will be 3 versions of new M3. Pure (RWD) - 425hp, Xdrive - 475hp, and competition - 500hp.

If so, that'll be very similar performance as M3 for $20k less.

Definitely not 20k less

[KTN]

Originally Posted by dscharrer

Do you think the M340i will be tuneable to the mid 400hp to match standard M3?
I heard there will be 3 versions of new M3. Pure (RWD) - 425hp, Xdrive - 475hp, and competition - 500hp.

If so, that'll be very similar performance as M3 for $20k less.

Pure is said to come in at 444hp as a factory stat, not 425hp.

[dscharrer]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Definitely not 20k less

A loaded M340i will probably be mid/high $60's and a loaded M3 is $80-90k easy.

I'm probably not far off.

I just want to know if the M340i could easily be tuned to M3 territory.

390hp stock. Adding 50-70hp or more seems reasonable right?

That would easily rival M3 performance.

With tune a M340i is 90% an M3. I'd say a good value there.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by dscharrer

A loaded M340i will probably be mid/high $60's and a loaded M3 is $80-90k easy.

I'm probably not far off.

I just want to know if the M340i could easily be tuned to M3 territory.

390hp stock. Adding 50-70hp or more seems reasonable right?

That would easily rival M3 performance.

With tune a M340i is 90% an M3. I'd say a good value there.

A 340 is never a good value. Ask how I know. We have one. It's almost at ///M levels price wise but nowhere near that performance wise. I never want to drive my wife's car never.

Yes you can tune the 340 (I'm intentionally leaving out the ///M) to be as fast in a straight line that's about it. Anything else the 340 will get destroyed.

FYI. You can tune the ///M3/4 and the 340 gets destroyed again.

Just get a REAL ///M

[KTN]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Just get a REAL ///M

A whole realm?

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Yes you can tune the 340 (I'm intentionally leaving out the ///M) to be as fast in a straight line that's about it. Anything else the 340 will get destroyed.

Nice to know you've time traveled to the future and already test driven the G20 M340i.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by praxis218

Nice to know you've time traveled to the future and already test driven the G20 M340i.

I am a Jedi

You know the force and all.

Don't be sore. It's not hard to figure out that a "fake" ///M isn't gonna be as good as the real thing

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

I am a Jedi

You know the force and all.

Don't be sore. It's not hard to figure out that a "fake" ///M isn't gonna be as good as the real thing

We might be BMW enthusiasts, but let's not kid ourselves, a M3/M4 is not that special or even expensive. I don't get why people here talk about it like it's a Lamborghini Huracan.

[dscharrer]

I highly doubt a tuned M340i would get destroyed by the new real M. The M340i is basically on par with the current M3 maybe except for handling.

Anyone know if the M340i is twin turbo?

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by dscharrer

A loaded M340i will probably be mid/high $60's and a loaded M3 is $80-90k easy.

I'm probably not far off.

I just want to know if the M340i could easily be tuned to M3 territory.

390hp stock. Adding 50-70hp or more seems reasonable right?

That would easily rival M3 performance.

With tune a M340i is 90% an M3. I'd say a good value there.

For straight line speed sure you will probably be able to spend <$1000 and possibly get to M3 levels but is straight line speed all you care about? Might want the brakes, suspension, steering, and transmission dynamics to match. If price delta is $20k (on the high end) the M3 is well worth the total package plus keeping your Powertrain/drivetrain warranty. If you're spending upper $60s and thinking you're getting an M3, make sure you debadge the 40i to look the part as well.

The M340i will be a fantastic car but don't be silly.

[dscharrer]

Originally Posted by Transfer

For straight line speed sure you will probably be able to spend <$1000 and possibly get to M3 levels but is straight line speed all you care about? Might want the brakes, suspension, steering, and transmission dynamics to match. If price delta is $20k (on the high end) the M3 is well worth the total package plus keeping your Powertrain/drivetrain warranty. If you're spending upper $60s and thinking you're getting an M3, make sure you debadge the 40i to look the part as well.

The M340i will be a fantastic car but don't be silly.

You won't even be able to use the M3 brakes and suspension for anything other than a track. For everyday driving the acceleration is all I care about. M3 is bragging rights on a track only. There are so many cars on the road that can't even be used to their full potential for everyday use (600-700hp cars). Tuned M340i will get M3 acceleration and everyday practicality without spending an extra $20k you can barely use.

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by dscharrer

You won't even be able to use the M3 brakes and suspension for anything other than a track. For everyday driving the acceleration is all I care about. M3 is bragging rights on a track only. There are so many cars on the road that can't even be used to their full potential for everyday use (600-700hp cars). Tuned M340i will get M3 acceleration and everyday practicality without spending an extra $20k you can barely use.

Also it'll come with a limited-slip differential standard.

For the streets AWD to me is more useful than extra HP.