[cigaro]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Yup, for those expecting better deals during the pandemic, this is a perfect example of how the pandemic is actually having the opposite effect. When supply is significantly diminished with only a slight decline in demand, there is no incentive to sell at deep discounts. This isn't exclusive to BMW, this is across the auto industry.

But I mean, this isnt the case with all models. The m340i has it much worse than others.

[tgrundke]

Supply and demand, as well as logistics, cigaro. I would bet that the number of M340s produced is far less than the standard 330, plus we have the added travel time of trans Atlantic shipping for those units coming from Germany.

[PHEVLady]

The G20 330e (MY 2021) has just started trickling into showrooms in my area (California). So far, I have talked to one dealer. On a purchase, they offered 4% discount off the MSRP before one incentive -- $2K loyalty discount; No APR/credit discount. I'm hoping for a better discount. On a lease, they no longer discount the federal clean energy rebate but said that the leasee can do that through the IRS, as would be done on a purchase.

[ShadowedAngles]

Here is a 330xi deal I have that I'm looking to get feedback and help on:
I feel like they are hiding ~$1,000 in fees/whatever on me.

MSRP: $53,295 (incls $995 destination charge)
Discount: 3,758.46 (7%)
Incentives: $2,750
MF: 0.00119
RV: 59%
Tint: $698 (yes I want this)
Doc Fee: $698
DMV Fee: $77.50
Initial Tax: $136.82
Cash Down: $2,500
Monthly Payment Tax: 3%

36/10k

$553/month

I couldn't seem to get to $553/month using the leashackr calculator. So I'm missing something here – I'm either using it wrong,they're hiding fees, or both.

Best Attempt
leasehackr.com/calculator?make=BMW&miles=10000&msd=0&msrp=53295&s ales_price=49538&months=36&mf=.00119&dp=250&dealer _fee=1532.82&acq_fee=0&taxed_inc=2750&untaxed_inc= 0&rebate=0&resP=59&reg_fee=77.50&sales_tax=3&demo_ mileage=0&memo=&monthlyTax_radio=true

Thanks.

[VipinLJ]

Originally Posted by ShadowedAngles

Here is a 330xi deal I have that I'm looking to get feedback and help on:
I feel like they are hiding ~$1,000 in fees/whatever on me.

MSRP: $53,295 (incls $995 destination charge)
Discount: 3,758.46 (7%)
Incentives: $2,750
MF: 0.00119
RV: 59%
Tint: $698 (yes I want this)
Doc Fee: $698
DMV Fee: $77.50
Initial Tax: $136.82
Cash Down: $2,500
Monthly Payment Tax: 3%

36/10k

$553/month

I couldn't seem to get to $553/month using the leashackr calculator. So I'm missing something here – I'm either using it wrong,they're hiding fees, or both.


leasehackr.com/calculator?make=BMW&miles=10000&msd=0&msrp=53295&s ales_price=49538&months=36&mf=.00119&dp=250&dealer _fee=1532.82&acq_fee=0&taxed_inc=2750&untaxed_inc= 0&rebate=0&resP=59&reg_fee=77.50&sales_tax=3&demo_ mileage=0&memo=&monthlyTax_radio=true

Thanks.

Send them the link to the calculator fees and ask them why the discrepancy. That’s what I did when there was a HUGE difference for me and they said they had “fat fingers” and mistyped the MF. They then resent me a quote with the corrected number and it almost matched the LH calculator to the T.

[ShadowedAngles]

Originally Posted by VipinLJ

Send them the link to the calculator fees and ask them why the discrepancy. That’s what I did when there was a HUGE difference for me and they said they had “fat fingers” and mistyped the MF. They then resent me a quote with the corrected number and it almost matched the LH calculator to the T.

Ah! This is a great idea, I'll do it.

I feel like I can get more off of MSRP. I'm just trying to make sense of their numbers before I go back with my counter offer.

To add to your 'fat fingers story' - I was talking to a dealer from another brand and they hid $1,300 in fees from me. When I respectfully asked "where I went wrong in the math: <addition here>", they came back and did admit the fact they hide that fee because it is "too confusing for customers to understand" and that the "final price doesn't matter for leases - only the monthly." I called them out on it and left town lol.

[Accident]

Originally Posted by PHEVLady

The G20 330e (MY 2021) has just started trickling into showrooms in my area (California). So far, I have talked to one dealer. On a purchase, they offered 4% discount off the MSRP before one incentive -- $2K loyalty discount; No APR/credit discount. I'm hoping for a better discount. On a lease, they no longer discount the federal clean energy rebate but said that the leasee can do that through the IRS, as would be done on a purchase.

You can't claim the tax rebate if you are leasing. The title needs to be under your name to claim it. If BMW offer Owners Choice in your state you can go with that option and you'll be able to get the tax rebate.

[PHEVLady]

Originally Posted by Accident

You can't claim the tax rebate if you are leasing. The title needs to be under your name to claim it. If BMW offer Owners Choice in your state you can go with that option and you'll be able to get the tax rebate.

I plan to purchase; another poster had asked about a clean energy rebate on the lease. So now i think that the salesman at the dealership was mistaken about the rebate on leasing. I think he also made a mistake when he insisted that I need PermaPlate coating or it would void the warranty.

Anyway, has anyone (on this board) purchased a new 330e in the US and what incentives were they offering?

[VipinLJ]

Originally Posted by ShadowedAngles

Ah! This is a great idea, I'll do it.

I feel like I can get more off of MSRP. I'm just trying to make sense of their numbers before I go back with my counter offer.

To add to your 'fat fingers story' - I was talking to a dealer from another brand and they hid $1,300 in fees from me. When I respectfully asked "where I went wrong in the math: <addition here>", they came back and did admit the fact they hide that fee because it is "too confusing for customers to understand" and that the "final price doesn't matter for leases - only the monthly." I called them out on it and left town lol.

Yup. You can push for more discounts. Also, how many dealers are you talking to?

[ShadowedAngles]

Originally Posted by VipinLJ

Yup. You can push for more discounts. Also, how many dealers are you talking to?

I'm talking to 3 local and 2 out of state dealers and 2 lease brokers. Brokers didn't really want to work with me because I had a trade in and it adds difficulty to my situation.

I managed to get a local dealer to go off 8% MSRP, with a slightly higher money factor, and offered me $1,500 more on my M3, so I'm going to go with this.

BTW, the dealer with the funny numbers came back and said all their fees were displayed and they couldn't really help me.

Another local dealer offered me 0% off MRSP, max money factor, and $7000 lower on my trade. They said they weren't ripping me off.

[gofast182]

I see a .00119 above. Is that the July MF pre MSD?

[mf44]

Originally Posted by gofast182

I see a .00119 above. Is that the July MF pre MSD?

No, July base MF is .00099.

[AbuQutaita]

Only managed to get 8% off for a MY21 M340i xDrive (before incentives):
MSRP $72,920
MSRP after 8% discount: $67,086

I wanted the car in Dravit Grey, but no dealerships in the area have a build slot in Germany, so I'm going to be waiting a few months before I can even place the order.

[Casone238]

Originally Posted by AbuQutaita

Only managed to get 8% off for a MY21 M340i xDrive (before incentives):
MSRP $72,920
MSRP after 8% discount: $67,086

I wanted the car in Dravit Grey, but no dealerships in the area have a build slot in Germany, so I'm going to be waiting a few months before I can even place the order.

I had the same issue but the dravit doesn’t mean that much to me so I choose the Portimao blue and with the savings the MPE is about $400 so I added it to the order. I was able to get 9% off my order.
MSRP $68,720
MSRP after 9% discount 62,535

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by VipinLJ

Send them the link to the calculator fees and ask them why the discrepancy. That’s what I did when there was a HUGE difference for me and they said they had “fat fingers” and mistyped the MF. They then resent me a quote with the corrected number and it almost matched the LH calculator to the T.

Funny... it's a wonder how many fat fingers exist in the auto industry. Wonder if they have a support group for this condition.

I had a very similar issue with one of the first dealers I was in talks with. Their numbers were a good $50/month off and when I called them out on it they said they "forgot to hit enter".

[TTG]

Originally Posted by AbuQutaita

Only managed to get 8% off for a MY21 M340i xDrive (before incentives):
MSRP $72,920
MSRP after 8% discount: $67,086

I wanted the car in Dravit Grey, but no dealerships in the area have a build slot in Germany, so I'm going to be waiting a few months before I can even place the order.

Thats pretty typical for Seattle area. You did good.

[Ghost Ritual]

I managed about 15.3% off MSRP including manufacturer incentives. I went to 2 dealers and got the first offer in writing. The second guys were eager to beat it.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by Ghost Ritual

I managed about 15.3% off MSRP including manufacturer incentives. I went to 2 dealers and got the first offer in writing. The second guys were eager to beat it.

What was your pre-incentive discount %

[Ghost Ritual]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

What was your pre-incentive discount %

I think 10ish. Car is ordered but havnt done any paperwork yet.

[MG20i]

Anyone have info on August lease rates and rebates? Will be Aug. 1 before we get to sign paperwork I am pretty sure. And previous agreement was Feb. 1st LOL.

[mf44]

Originally Posted by MG20i

Anyone have info on August lease rates and rebates? Will be Aug. 1 before we get to sign paperwork I am pretty sure. And previous agreement was Feb. 1st LOL.

Lease numbers and incentives are never released early. Expect the August numbers to be available Monday or Tuesday (when the end of the month falls on a weekend, the new numbers are generally pushed to the start of the following week).

[MG20i]

I see. Ok, thanks.