[MT4life]

Originally Posted by BMV///M3

I disagree with your comment, its not that people "shouldn't" be driving them, that sounds borderline elitist. BMW wanted to win the sales crown and have attractive lease rates and people used that to their advantage. Now that rates have stabilized and the economy has driven MF's up, people will be less likely to be return customers.

I didn't mean "shouldn't" as in don't deserve or aren't good enough.
I just meant that a lot of folks that have a certain portion of their monthly budget allotted for the transportation aren't going to be getting G20's. There won't be any 399/month leases anymore.

[sitcom323]

I wouldn't say goodbye forever to the "stripper" leases. BMW will always find a way to decontent and create a value-leader that leases for $399-$499 -- they know they have to be competitive.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by sitcom323

I wouldn't say goodbye forever to the "stripper" leases. BMW will always find a way to decontent and create a value-leader that leases for $399-$499 -- they know they have to be competitive.

It is possible G20 320i will be brought to US. What is Euro-spec 320i (gasoline) 0-60, may be 5.8 seconds?

Plus G20 bread-and-butter reincarnated 50/50 RWD chassis + suspension + steering + ZF 8AT. Just price it around $35k-$37k MSRP before incentives and it will rule the market.

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

It is possible G20 320i will be brought to US. What is Euro-spec 320i (gasoline) 0-60, may be 5.8 seconds?

Plus G20 bread-and-butter reincarnated 50/50 RWD chassis + suspension + steering + ZF 8AT. Just price it around $35k-$37k MSRP before incentives and it will rule the market.

I like bread and butter!

[sitcom323]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

It is possible G20 320i will be brought to US. What is Euro-spec 320i (gasoline) 0-60, may be 5.8 seconds?

Plus G20 bread-and-butter reincarnated 50/50 RWD chassis + suspension + steering + ZF 8AT. Just price it around $35k-$37k MSRP before incentives and it will rule the market.

Sensatec in black only, a limited exterior palette, 17 wheels and DONE

[KTN]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

It is possible G20 320i will be brought to US. What is Euro-spec 320i (gasoline) 0-60, may be 5.8 seconds?

Plus G20 bread-and-butter reincarnated 50/50 RWD chassis + suspension + steering + ZF 8AT. Just price it around $35k-$37k MSRP before incentives and it will rule the market.

320i 0-100kph: 7.1s (184PS, 300NM)
330i 0-100kph: 5.8s (258PS, 400NM)

[MT4life]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

It is possible G20 320i will be brought to US. What is Euro-spec 320i (gasoline) 0-60, may be 5.8 seconds?

Plus G20 bread-and-butter reincarnated 50/50 RWD chassis + suspension + steering + ZF 8AT. Just price it around $35k-$37k MSRP before incentives and it will rule the market.

Which market? US market? 37K for a 4 cylinder with 180-whatever horses will rule the market? Probably right

[stein_325i]

I don't think a G20 320i will come to the states, it will be too competitive with the new 2GC thats supposed to be the new entry level BMW and overall raise awareness and sales of the 2 series.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by MT4life

Which market? US market? 37K for a 4 cylinder with 180-whatever horses will rule the market? Probably right

Yes. Honda Accord Touring is 34K. A FWD, inferior car by all measures except for long term reliability-Driving costs.
Sometimes I feel like people are completely disconnected from the market.
It wouldn't rule the market, but it would sell more than the F30 version did.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by MT4life

Which market? US market? 37K for a 4 cylinder with 180-whatever horses will rule the market? Probably right

It depends on which version of B48 to be used(from wiki):

170 kW (228 hp) at 5,000–6,500 rpm
300 N⋅m (221 lb⋅ft) at 1,250–4,800 rpm

185 kW (248 hp) at 5,200–6,500 rpm
350 N⋅m (258 lb⋅ft) at 1,450–4,800 rpm

190 kW (255 hp) at 5,000–6,500 rpm
400 N⋅m (295 lb⋅ft) at 1,550–4,400 rpm

There is also an high output 3-cylinder B38:
170 kW (228 bhp) at 5,800 rpm
320 N⋅m (236 lb⋅ft) at 3,700 rpm

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by KTN

320i 0-100kph: 7.1s (184PS, 300NM)
330i 0-100kph: 5.8s (258PS, 400NM)

Maybe BMWAG can ship a high(er) HP/lb-ft B48/B38 as US-spec G20 "325i" then.

[G8rGrl]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Right again and as soon as days supply on G starts to build they will incentivize leasing again. From the days when I planned vehicle programs, we had a full product cycle incentive plan for retail and lease built into the business case from before launch. We knew what we planned to spend on consumer/dealer cash and subventing leases in year 5 before the first new unit hit shipping. Of course, much of that planning went up in smoke when actual market conditions were happening. But, for now, it's just a matter of patience and not needing to be "first on the block".

Based on your experience, do you think by November 2019 there will be good incentivized leases?

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by G8rGrl

Based on your experience, do you think by November 2019 there will be good incentivized leases?

There is already a financial plan in place to allow for such incentives, as the market requires. Whether they "pull the trigger" or not to launch such a program will depend on day's supply, how the plant is running, competitive actions. However, it is fair to say that whatever the market conditions are now with constrained volume at launch, it should be more favorable then, as competitive 2020 models are launching.

[Pauleebe]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

There is already a financial plan in place to allow for such incentives, as the market requires. Whether they "pull the trigger" or not to launch such a program will depend on day's supply, how the plant is running, competitive actions. However, it is fair to say that whatever the market conditions are now with constrained volume at launch, it should be more favorable then, as competitive 2020 models are launching.

I'm even hoping in May there are "some deals" to be had on MY19's before the MY20's ramp up, as opposed to waiting until Fall/Winter for MY20's to die off in popularity.

[Sportstick]

Of course, the upside of patience is that the almost inevitable “issues” that arise with just about every new program volume launch will have a chance to be identified and resolved. There have been very few new launches where C/100 didn’t deteriorate from the exit of the prior program before recovering and then improving overall. With a new vehicle in a new plant, such as the new 3, I anticipate that some patience will be rewarded.

[chickennuggets]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Of course, the upside of patience is that the almost inevitable “issues” that arise with just about every new program volume launch will have a chance to be identified and resolved. There have been very few new launches where C/100 didn’t deteriorate from the exit of the prior program before recovering and then improving overall. With a new vehicle in a new plant, such as the new 3, I anticipate that some patience will be rewarded.

Part of the reason I leased a 2018 in August.

[bavarianride]

Test drove a 330i RWD M-sport this morning and it has a stiff ride.

In way the G20 330i non M-sport feels stiffer than F30 704, while G20 330i M-sport feels like E46 704 with refinement.

BTW a Model 3 RWD was in front of us in the cloverleaf. The Model 3 did cut through the curve like butter, but the G20 330i M-sport was able to hang right there with it. Once the curve got straight, the B48 did well to pull away from the Model 3 into the left lane. This 330i should be around 5.3 seconds 0-60, and its 60-80 and 80-100 numbers should be pretty decent too.

[OUGrad05]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

This car is almost E39 5-series size, in fact the wheelbase and widths are more than E39:

G20/E39
length 185.7-in/188-in
wheelbase 112.2-in/111.4-in
front wheel to wheel 62.3-in/59.5-in
rear wheel to wheel 62.9-in/59.6-in
front headroom 38.7-in/same
rear headroom 37.6-in/same
front shoulder 56-in/58-in
rear shoulder 54.6-in/56.5-in

The interior dash is upscale, a bit too much silver, but very functional.

The driver cockpit is not tilted, yet feels quite spacious, not as cramped as F30(which has the same shoulder room as G20).

The standard non-M sport steering wheel feels great.

The drive was probably 7 miles, around 5 miles on fwy and 2 miles local.

This G20 B48 + ZF 8AT pulled like an old school I6 N/A without NVH, maybe the piped I6 sound masks it off. The acceleration was linear and competent, virtually zeto turbo lag, and the car quickly merged to left-most lane@70+mph.

The steering was light and precise. There was not much road feel but you pointed the car went as instructed.

I did go on my favorite 270-degree cloverleaf connector flyer, and the car held the curve just like oil school E46, with E39 comfort and competence, and barely any body roll.

There are lots of other tech and features on the car but I did not pay attention. The iDrive screen now sits low almost flush to dashboard, and I like that.

This car will sell well, just like the new X3.

Currently 15k/yr residual is 50%! And loyalty/fleet are non-stackable!

Thanks for the post. I looked at them today but didn't drive. The salesman told me that it doesn't drive as well (i.e., sporty) as a comparably equipped F30 car. He said it felt a bit worse to him and he was disappointed.

I have no doubt that it'll stick in a corner. My F30 will run rings around an E90 car, it's absolute limits are a fair amount higher and the chassis is better buttoned down overall, but it doesn't have the feel of the E90, muchless an E46.

I'll drive a 40i when available. But I'm not particularly enthused based on the early info I'm getting.

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

Test drove a 330i RWD M-sport this morning and it has a stiff ride.

In way the G20 330i non M-sport feels stiffer than F30 704, while G20 330i M-sport feels like E46 704 with refinement.

BTW a Model 3 RWD was in front of us in the cloverleaf. The Model 3 did cut through the curve like butter, but the G20 330i M-sport was able to hang right there with it. Once the curve got straight, the B58 did well to pull away from the Model 3 into the left lane. This 330i should be around 5.3 seconds 0-60, and its 60-80 and 80-100 numbers should be pretty decent too.

You meant to say "B48" right?

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

You meant to say "B48" right?

Yes u are correct, will update the other post.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by OUGrad05

Thanks for the post. I looked at them today but didn't drive. The salesman told me that it doesn't drive as well (i.e., sporty) as a comparably equipped F30 car. He said it felt a bit worse to him and he was disappointed.

I have no doubt that it'll stick in a corner. My F30 will run rings around an E90 car, it's absolute limits are a fair amount higher and the chassis is better buttoned down overall, but it doesn't have the feel of the E90, muchless an E46.

I'll drive a 40i when available. But I'm not particularly enthused based on the early info I'm getting.

Do try out the G20 M-sport, it is noticeably tighter and stiffer than F30 704.