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      10-09-2018, 12:34 PM   #1
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Anyone else worried the G80 will not be aggressive/distinguished enough?

I think all of the generations of M3 have had the right level of aesthetic differences to make them look aggressive and sporty without being over the top or ostentatious. To the untrained eye it might just appear as a nice 3 series, but to the enthusiast it is immediately recognizable. That said I am a bit worried based some of the current M models (M5 especially) that it will be hard to differentiate from a regular 3.

For example, I went to my local dealer yesterday and outside was a white F90 M5 on 19 in wheels. Usually M vehicles jump out at me but I actually walked by this car twice before realizing it was an M5. Then on the way home I saw another F90 M5 in black that once again I thought was just a regular 5 series until I recognized the wheels and looked closer.

I guess on one hand it is nice that our cars are a bit of a sleeper, but I am a bit worried based on spy photos it will be to tame. Anyone else?
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The M5 has always been more conservative in terms of styling. Don't worry the M3 will have plenty of styling good and bad.
You are right that the M5 has always been a bit more conservative, but in the past (at least F10 and E60) it was still immediately recognizable to me at least. It just appears from the spy photos that the G80 is going this same "conservative" route verses previous models.
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Honestly I think BMW is going to do very well with the G80 platform and will be aggressive considering that the M5 is more of a luxury family sedan purposely designed as a sleeper (Holds true for all generations thus far). I think that BMW has got their hunger back to be the top performance car once again. Really excited to see this car come out just please RWD.. lower weight and option for 6 speed
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I think it will be aggressive looking; however, I think they may try to make this G80 more daily drivable with the auto tranny and significantly more comfortable. The F80 for many was too hard core to DD with the solid rear subframe and somewhat rough DCT at slow speeds. I think a mini M5 is a successful approach.
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Really looking forward to the G80
whateever the G20's exterior design faults, will be made up by the M designers on the G80
it just needs a few tweaks
the M3 always was a heads up in styling over the standard 3
what I AM looking forward to are the new technical features
potential hybrid
electric turbo
configurable AWD
500HP at highest config
water injection
exhaust sounds of the new S58
oh my
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      10-17-2018, 08:22 AM   #6
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I think it will be aggressive looking; however, I think they may try to make this G80 more daily drivable with the auto tranny and significantly more comfortable. The F80 for many was too hard core to DD with the solid rear subframe and somewhat rough DCT at slow speeds. I think a mini M5 is a successful approach.
I am on the opposite end of that spectrum. I think the F80 is totally daily drive-able and comfortable (I drove mine cross country twice with no issue). I am hoping the G80 keeps the trend of improvements such as the soild rear subframe that makes it more "hard core" than previous models, but at the same time completely comfortable on the street like the F80. The only disappointment I have had is my choice to get the 20" wheels on my second F80, definitely preferred the ride and feel from the 18" wheels and larger sidewalls.
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I don't believe there will be enough of a styling / performance difference to make me want to trade my 2018 F80. AWD is not a benefit. Don't need it and not necessary. Electric motors and water injection? Too much tech for me. No manual? That would be a deal killer for me. I am interested in the specs of the S58 though. The S55 has been a solid, reliable performer to date. The G80 will certainly be different. Whether its better is left up to the individual to decide.
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I think all of the generations of M3 have had the right level of aesthetic differences to make them look aggressive and sporty without being over the top or ostentatious. To the untrained eye it might just appear as a nice 3 series, but to the enthusiast it is immediately recognizable. That said I am a bit worried based some of the current M models (M5 especially) that it will be hard to differentiate from a regular 3.

For example, I went to my local dealer yesterday and outside was a white F90 M5 on 19 in wheels. Usually M vehicles jump out at me but I actually walked by this car twice before realizing it was an M5. Then on the way home I saw another F90 M5 in black that once again I thought was just a regular 5 series until I recognized the wheels and looked closer.

I guess on one hand it is nice that our cars are a bit of a sleeper, but I am a bit worried based on spy photos it will be to tame. Anyone else?
Nope your are over thinking it based on;-

Early prototype views of the G80 where all the M trinkets are not on view

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The F90 M5, which just like the F10 M5 doesn't make as much of a jump from regular series to M car. They are mite sleeper by design.

Relax, a beastly fast and wide G80 is coming

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Honestly I think BMW is going to do very well with the G80 platform and will be aggressive considering that the M5 is more of a luxury family sedan purposely designed as a sleeper (Holds true for all generations thus far). I think that BMW has got their hunger back to be the top performance car once again. Really excited to see this car come out just please RWD.. lower weight and option for 6 speed
I don't know, not too many share your same enthusiasm about the next G80, especially seeing how the new G20 looks. BMW is slowing down while others have already caught up. The G20 may pay the bills but the M3 is what makes BMW hands down when it comes to reputation and its symbol.
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Everything is going to be alright guys. It always is.
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Really looking forward to the G80
whateever the G20's exterior design faults, will be made up by the M designers on the G80
it just needs a few tweaks
the M3 always was a heads up in styling over the standard 3
what I AM looking forward to are the new technical features
potential hybrid
electric turbo
configurable AWD
500HP at highest config
water injection
exhaust sounds of the new S58
oh my
My bet is that it'll be 450hp civic 475hp CP no AWD or hybrid or 48V electric turbo either, look at the G20 in terms of powertrain tech they've gone no where. A tweak here and there but same powertrains....I think the only change will be the move from S55 to S58 and course styling and platform.
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My bet is that it'll be 450hp civic 475hp CP no AWD or hybrid or 48V electric turbo either, look at the G20 in terms of powertrain tech they've gone no where. A tweak here and there but same powertrains....I think the only change will be the move from S55 to S58 and course styling and platform.
I really believe they know they will need more than the S58 to fend off the quadrifolglio and the other nextgen competitors
theyve considered everything including the rear steer already on the Cadillacs
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I really believe they know they will need more than the S58 to fend off the quadrifolglio and the other nextgen competitors
theyve considered everything including the rear steer already on the Cadillacs
Maybe they will surprise us with a hybrid/AWD/48v/RWS 500hp+ monster but then the price will also be eye widening as well.
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Maybe they will surprise us with a hybrid/AWD/48v/RWS 500hp+ monster but then the price will also be eye widening as well.
It could be that some of these including the xtra horsies to 500 will come only for the M3 CS.. and that price would be eye popping
lets face it prices been going up every generation anyway
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The new 3 Series is here, and BMW's engineers can now focus on perfecting the next-gen M3. The new generation reportedly uses with an upgraded twin-turbo 3.0-liter inline six making around 450 hp (336 kW)
I’m hoping this isn’t true if they’re saying the G80 is going to be 450HP. It would be nice to see a S58 rated at least 500HP stock.

I’m also hoping it’s not going to be like the M2 later getting the S55 and first year G80 having a S55 then later introducing a potential S58 engine.
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I’m hoping this isn’t true if they’re saying the G80 is going to be 450HP. It would be nice to see a S58 rated at least 500HP stock.

I’m also hoping it’s not going to be like the M2 later getting the S55 and first year G80 having a S55 then later introducing a potential S58 engine.
I dont see why the G80 M3 would not have the S58.. its already in the prototype SUV Ms.. so its already likely in the G80 proto prouncing about
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I’m hoping this isn’t true if they’re saying the G80 is going to be 450HP. It would be nice to see a S58 rated at least 500HP stock.
The 450hp figure they cite is not based on any inside knowledge, it is merely a safe estimate they threw out to give the illusion of substantive information.

In general, ynguldyn is the most reliable source for future vehicle information:

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=901686

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I’m also hoping it’s not going to be like the M2 later getting the S55 and first year G80 having a S55 then later introducing a potential S58 engine.
Notice this entry from the above thread:

"The target power output for S58, the engine to be used in M3/M4/X3M/X4M, is 475hp."

Also, he clarified in a follow-up discussion that this would be for the base model. A Competition model could very well come close to 500hp. We will know more details next year when the X3/X4 M specs are announced.
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In BMW M GmbH we trust.

They have their hands full though. They are going to be burning the midnight oil trying to figure this one out.
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I think it will be aggressive looking; however, I think they may try to make this G80 more daily drivable with the auto tranny and significantly more comfortable. The F80 for many was too hard core to DD with the solid rear subframe and somewhat rough DCT at slow speeds. I think a mini M5 is a successful approach.
The car you’re describing is the m340i, not the M3.
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I think it will be aggressive looking; however, I think they may try to make this G80 more daily drivable with the auto tranny and significantly more comfortable. The F80 for many was too hard core to DD with the solid rear subframe and somewhat rough DCT at slow speeds. I think a mini M5 is a successful approach.
If they produce a G80 M3 that is just a mini-M5, it's dead in the water. The target market for the M3 is not a plush daily driver compromised vehicle that poseurs want watered down so they can say they drive an M3....at least it better not be, else that's the end of the road for the M3.
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If they produce a G80 M3 that is just a mini-M5, it's dead in the water. The target market for the M3 is not a plush daily driver compromised vehicle that poseurs want watered down so they can say they drive an M3....at least it better not be, else that's the end of the road for the M3.
You seem to be begging for conflict with the above post.

It appears you have both an overly romanticized vision of the typical modern-day luxury performance sedan buyer and an overly negative attitude toward the state of the art in performance sedans. Neither is likely to bring peace to you or the forum.

Appreciate that we can still buy high output turbocharged ICE vehicles. The days are coming to a close. If that's not your bag, and what you want is a nigh-homolongated race car, buy the BMW of yesteryear and customize it to your taste.
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The target market for the M3 is not a plush daily driver ....at least it better not be, else that's the end of the road for the M3.
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You seem to be begging for conflict with the above post.
Yeah, because a "plush daily driver" car like that would have power leather seats, air conditioning, sat radio and full infotainment with bluetooth, power windows & mirrors, etc, and of course the e9x and F8x don't have any of that stuff. They're dedicated track cars.
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