[chicagoshark]

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Roughly the same price, Although the G 20 would be brand new versus 1-2 years. Roughly 65k for both. G20 will have awd option, however I have a winter car now. I have a 2017 340 x drive currently. I do enjoy it, but I have always wanted an M3 and was ready to pull the trigger this spring, but now the M340 is making me think.

Other cars in the mix:c63 Amg sedan (not many used yet, but soon will be) RS5 (some used are popping up already, but still in the mid 70s)

Discuss and give your 2cents

[chhappy7]

Personally I'm not a fan of getting a first year model anything. Unless it's like 1 of 100 limited edition and have the money to get something like that. But then I suppose by that point I wouldn't really care about getting a first year model anything...

But back to reality, I'd go for the M3 if you like the current one and can live without some of the features of the M340

[chicagoshark]

Originally Posted by chhappy7

Personally I'm not a fan of getting a first year model anything. Unless it's like 1 of 100 limited edition and have the money to get something like that. But then I suppose by that point I wouldn't really care about getting a first year model anything...

But back to reality, I'd go for the M3 if you like the current one and can live without some of the features of the M340

The first model year thing is of concern, But in reality I don't think it's a huge change, but nonetheless the first year is always full of growing pains

[eluded]

First year of a new production run in a German car is probably not a wise idea. I would wait for the new M3. It might have the all-wheel-drive needed for winter and I assume it will have no MT and thus will to live will be gone.

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by eluded

First year of a new production run in a German car is probably not a wise idea. I would wait for the new M3. It might have the all-wheel-drive needed for winter and I assume it will have no MT and thus will to live will be gone.

I would love for it to have AWD, but I am not sure it will since the C63 doesn't yet.

Maybe bmw needs to take the lead on this for once.

[zamboni]

The G20 don't offer 6MT if the M3 has that option I would go with M3.

[upsidedownfunnel]

If you live in Chicago, you don't "need" AWD. I'd rather have a RWD car for 90% of the year and use winter tires for the rest of the 10%. I used to live in Chicago. A car with an LSD and winter tires is very sure footed in the snow.

[BitcoinDr.]

Originally Posted by Blubaron79

I would love for it to have AWD, but I am not sure it will since the C63 doesn't yet.

Maybe bmw needs to take the lead on this for once.

Audi already took the lead for AWD sport coupes by making all S5 and RS5 Quattros. The RS5 version of quattro can distribute power 20/80 when needed.
Would still be nice to have a choice of AWD or 2WD when buying.

I prefer AWD which is why I chose the 440i X-drive with all M-performance options over the M4. Also it was a lot easier to find a 2018 pre-owned 440xi that had not been in an accident or started life as an abused performance center driving school car.

[chicagoshark]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

If you live in Chicago, you don't "need" AWD. I'd rather have a RWD car for 90% of the year and use winter tires for the rest of the 10%. I used to live in Chicago. A car with an LSD and winter tires is very sure footed in the snow.

I don't really care about awd. It's not a major factor. I have a "winter" car

[Beek]

If you got the big M itch I doubt a little m will scratch it. Get the M3.

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by chicagoshark

I don't really care about awd. It's not a major factor. I have a "winter" car

The goal is to have an X2 for work and skiing and a M3 as the other car in two years. We'll see though. If I'm still with one car it will be a M340.

[insanecoder]

Look I luv my 340 and I prefer it being the daily driver
and the M340 is not too far from the existing 340 no matter the hype of being new

but if you are considering an F80 vs M340i , I would get an F80 instead of either if you can get one

[MONSTAR]

I’m seeing 2016 m3/m4 in my area already down to the 44-45k range. I’d go with that option, save 20k, and be very happy

[kpgray]

Originally Posted by chicagoshark

Roughly the same price, Although the G 20 would be brand new versus 1-2 years. Roughly 65k for both. G20 will have awd option, however I have a winter car now. I have a 2017 340 x drive currently. I do enjoy it, but I have always wanted an M3 and was ready to pull the trigger this spring, but now the M340 is making me think....

I have been pondering the same, was thinking of upgrading to an F80 M3/4, but the new G20 340i is suppose to be around 380 HP, guessing the MPPK give it another 35-40 HP, that would put it into the F80 M3/4 range of power without the harshness for a daily driver. Plus, the G20 will be upgraded exterior styling and interior digital dash puts this to a new level. Still do not know all the specifics of the G20 yet. If the 340i is going to have LSD standard, manual option, etc. And if true, this could really put pressure on the cost of an M3/4, maybe I could get one of those old F80 Competition Packages deeply discounted. Things that make you go Hmmmmm...

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

If you live in Chicago, you don't "need" AWD. I'd rather have a RWD car for 90% of the year and use winter tires for the rest of the 10%. I used to live in Chicago. A car with an LSD and winter tires is very sure footed in the snow.

Where do you get the 10% figure from? If you live in places like Chicago, Boston, etc you need to get your winter tires on by mid to late November and keep them on until mid April. You have winter tires on for about 40% of the year, 50% if you want to ensure you aren't caught unprepared by an early or late season snow storm.

[upsidedownfunnel]

Originally Posted by Fuller

Where do you get the 10% figure from? If you live in places like Chicago, Boston, etc you need to get your winter tires on by mid to late November and keep them on until mid April. You have winter tires on for about 40% of the year, 50% if you want to ensure you aren't caught unprepared by an early or late season snow storm.

You might put your winter tires on for about a quarter of the year, but you only need winter tires about 5-10 days out of the year which is far less than 10% of the year.

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

You might put your winter tires on for about a quarter of the year, but you only need winter tires about 5-10 days out of the year which is far less than 10% of the year.

Not quite. Summer tires do not perform, and could be down right dangerous in temps below 32F. The compound stiffens up and acts like a hockey puck a freezing temps.

I put on winter performance tires. Pirelli sotozeros allow winter traction, but allow high speed driving on highways.

[upsidedownfunnel]

Originally Posted by Blubaron79

Not quite. Summer tires do not perform, and could be down right dangerous in temps below 32F. The compound stiffens up and acts like a hockey puck a freezing temps.

I put on winter performance tires. Pirelli sotozeros allow winter traction, but allow high speed driving on highways.

While I'd never intentionally drive in subzero temps with summer tires on, the dangers of driving in cold temperatures with summer tires is way overblown. You just have to realize you have about as much traction as a Prius and drive accordingly. You still have much more traction with summer tires in freezing temps than you do with winter tires on ice or snow.

One notable exception are the super sticky summer tires (that no 3 series comes with) that could possibly crack in extremely cold temperatures.

[JRV]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

While I'd never intentionally drive in subzero temps with summer tires on, the dangers of driving in cold temperatures with summer tires is way overblown. You just have to realize you have about as much traction as a Prius and drive accordingly. You still have much more traction with summer tires in freezing temps than you do with winter tires on ice or snow.

One notable exception are the super sticky summer tires (that no 3 series comes with) that could possibly crack in extremely cold temperatures.

Yep I do this and have zero issues here in New England. I just avoid the snow days.

[harperium]

Instead of a used F80, look at a new M2 Competition.

I'm in the same boat: my '17 340 lease will be up mid 2020 and I don't know if the new G80 M3 will be available then or not.

I will consider a used F80 then; a new M2C and the new M340. I can relate to the M itch, but have no idea what my decision in 2020 will be.

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

While I'd never intentionally drive in subzero temps with summer tires on, the dangers of driving in cold temperatures with summer tires is way overblown. You just have to realize you have about as much traction as a Prius and drive accordingly. You still have much more traction with summer tires in freezing temps than you do with winter tires on ice or snow.

One notable exception are the super sticky summer tires (that no 3 series comes with) that could possibly crack in extremely cold temperatures.

Yes, I agree that the dangers might be a bit overblown. In fact, I've had the shit luck of being caught with summer tires on in the snow, and drove carefully with minimal drama. That said, it's best to be prepared with winter tires. Summer tires do lose significant traction as the temp approaches freezing, which in northern states means being prepared November through April. Even if there's a patch of unseasonably warm, mild weather, you can't count on it, and it's not like you're going to keep changing back and forth between summer and winter tires to match the weather all winter. It's not a big deal or anything but claiming you only need winter tires for 10% or less of the year in the upper Midwest or New England isn't accurate. In practice you end up driving through shit on squishy winter rubber for 5-6 months lol. It's good though, you learn to embrace it.

[chicagoshark]

Originally Posted by kpgray

I have been pondering the same, was thinking of upgrading to an F80 M3/4, but the new G20 340i is suppose to be around 380 HP, guessing the MPPK give it another 35-40 HP, that would put it into the F80 M3/4 range of power without the harshness for a daily driver. Plus, the G20 will be upgraded exterior styling and interior digital dash puts this to a new level. Still do not know all the specifics of the G20 yet. If the 340i is going to have LSD standard, manual option, etc. And if true, this could really put pressure on the cost of an M3/4, maybe I could get one of those old F80 Competition Packages deeply discounted. Things that make you go Hmmmmm...

That's assuming the MPPSK will be available initially. I got my 340 very early in the model year 2017 cycle. And due to the new engine DMBPSK was not available until after I got the car