Next Generation G80 M3 Spy Shots!

jmg · 03-30-2018, 03:05 PM

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I think you mean 2006

Definitely not. E92 > E46 all day. Both are better than any F80/2/3/7.

Wrong F>E. The alphabet says so. F is also closer to M than E is.

Wills2 · 04-01-2018, 06:51 AM

Autocar running with RWD and 460hp no AWD on cost grounds.

dmboone25 · 04-01-2018, 11:15 AM

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Definitely not. E92 > E46 all day. Both are better than any F80/2/3/7.

Perhaps from a subjective standpoint (looks, sound) - but not from an objective one. Each generation has been objectively better than the previous version.

There’s no doubt about that.

dmk08 · 04-01-2018, 12:10 PM

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Definitely not. E92 > E46 all day. Both are better than any F80/2/3/7.

Perhaps from a subjective standpoint (looks, sound) - but not from an objective one. Each generation has been objectively better than the previous version.

There's no doubt about that.

Not really. The non existent steering feel of the F8x is objective.

I owned an F8x for 3 years I'm very familiar with it.

dmboone25 · 04-01-2018, 01:39 PM

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Not really. The non existent steering feel of the F8x is objective.

I owned an F8x for 3 years I'm very familiar with it.

Hard to compare hydraulic to an electronically assisted setup - but the weight savings is beneficial.

Remember, the F80 is lighter than the E92, and MUCH more powerful. And stiffer. And efficient...the list is expansive.

Same with E46 --> E92...

Now there might be attributes that caused you to go to the E92 after the F80, and I can respect that. But it's an objectively inferior car - those are the facts.

adc · 04-01-2018, 02:52 PM

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Not really. The non existent steering feel of the F8x is objective.

I owned an F8x for 3 years I'm very familiar with it.

I’ve owned the E90 for 6 years, and the F80 for 3. To me they both feel about the same, that is to say not great.

With both platforms adding camber plates helped a bit.

dmk08 · 04-01-2018, 04:14 PM

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Not really. The non existent steering feel of the F8x is objective.

I owned an F8x for 3 years I'm very familiar with it.

Hard to compare hydraulic to an electronically assisted setup - but the weight savings is beneficial.

Remember, the F80 is lighter than the E92, and MUCH more powerful. And stiffer. And efficient...the list is expansive.

Same with E46 --> E92...

Now there might be attributes that caused you to go to the E92 after the F80, and I can respect that. But it's an objectively inferior car - those are the facts.

It's a better performing car not a better car. Those are the objective facts.

dmboone25 · 04-01-2018, 07:48 PM

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It's a better performing car not a better car. Those are the objective facts.

Better in every single measurable way. That’s a fact.

It’s ok if you like the E92 for subjective reasons - like I said before, I can respect that. But those are reasons specific to you, and not based on objective criteria.

Norhidem · 04-19-2018, 10:24 AM

Perfect timing! Byebye M2 in 2 years then!

Ghostriderf80 · 04-24-2018, 12:55 AM

If it comes with floating rear calipers it will be a huge disappointment. Brakes will need to be upgraded to brembo ccb at 30000 $ USD.

V-Eight · 05-10-2018, 01:11 AM

I see that the new M5 is available in three configuration:

- normal
- competition pack
- competition

Will the new M3 be available in the same variants since the begininng as the M5 is?

Aaaaaaaaa · 05-10-2018, 01:05 PM

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I see that the new M5 is available in three configuration:

- normal
- competition pack
- competition

Will the new M3 be available in the same variants since the begininng as the M5 is?

The new M5 just has two models: normal and Competition. Competition is its own distinct model. Judging by what BMW is doing with the M2 Competition and M5 Competition it's pretty safe to say the next M3 will have its own Competition model a year after debut. So yes everyone should wait one model year.

kab_m2 · 05-15-2018, 07:14 AM

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Perfect timing! Byebye M2 in 2 years then!

yep me too

kab_m2 · 05-15-2018, 07:15 AM

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The new M5 just has two models: normal and Competition. Competition is its own distinct model. Judging by what BMW is doing with the M2 Competition and M5 Competition it's pretty safe to say the next M3 will have its own Competition model a year after debut. So yes everyone should wait one model year.

based on how quickly the released the M5C, then id bet only a few months later or maybe even at the same time (a la AMG)

paliknight · 05-22-2018, 11:05 PM

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The new M5 just has two models: normal and Competition. Competition is its own distinct model. Judging by what BMW is doing with the M2 Competition and M5 Competition it's pretty safe to say the next M3 will have its own Competition model a year after debut. So yes everyone should wait one model year.

based on how quickly the released the M5C, then id bet only a few months later or maybe even at the same time (a la AMG)

It's better if they release them simultaneously MB style since consumers won't be remorseful towards BMW for letting them buy an M car then release a competition version a short while after.

V-Eight · 06-25-2018, 07:31 AM

You're all right guys. If the CP is available since the beginning with the new M3, this should be great for those who wants something more that the "base" car, for example a louder exhaust, but not so loud as the MPE. I found that the CP gives all the necessary and the right balance: "just a little bit more than the stardard...but not too much as the MP parts".

RPM33 · 06-25-2018, 08:39 AM

Doesn't anyone worry about the next M3 and M4 becoming even bigger than the current models? I tend to enjoy smaller cars better.

mose121 · 06-25-2018, 02:37 PM

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You're all right guys. If the CP is available since the beginning with the new M3, this should be great for those who wants something more that the "base" car, for example a louder exhaust, but not so loud as the MPE. I found that the CP gives all the necessary and the right balance: "just a little bit more than the stardard...but not too much as the MP parts".

Just an FYI, I have a 2016 F80 ZCP with the MP exhaust. There is virtually no difference in sound/volume between the non ZCP exhaust, the standard ZCP exhaust, and the MP exhaust when in efficient mode.

JustChris · 08-03-2018, 10:46 AM

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The new M5 just has two models: normal and Competition. Competition is its own distinct model. Judging by what BMW is doing with the M2 Competition and M5 Competition it's pretty safe to say the next M3 will have its own Competition model a year after debut. So yes everyone should wait one model year.

based on how quickly the released the M5C, then id bet only a few months later or maybe even at the same time (a la AMG)

It's better if they release them simultaneously MB style since consumers won't be remorseful towards BMW for letting them buy an M car then release a competition version a short while after.

F90 did exactly that and it was a tad unfair on early adopters!

paliknight · 08-03-2018, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pheerIx

The new M5 just has two models: normal and Competition. Competition is its own distinct model. Judging by what BMW is doing with the M2 Competition and M5 Competition it's pretty safe to say the next M3 will have its own Competition model a year after debut. So yes everyone should wait one model year.

based on how quickly the released the M5C, then id bet only a few months later or maybe even at the same time (a la AMG)

It's better if they release them simultaneously MB style since consumers won't be remorseful towards BMW for letting them buy an M car then release a competition version a short while after.

F90 did exactly that and it was a tad unfair on early adopters!

I believe the F90 competition was announced months after the base F90 release.

JustChris · 08-03-2018, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pheerIx

The new M5 just has two models: normal and Competition. Competition is its own distinct model. Judging by what BMW is doing with the M2 Competition and M5 Competition it's pretty safe to say the next M3 will have its own Competition model a year after debut. So yes everyone should wait one model year.

based on how quickly the released the M5C, then id bet only a few months later or maybe even at the same time (a la AMG)

It's better if they release them simultaneously MB style since consumers won't be remorseful towards BMW for letting them buy an M car then release a competition version a short while after.

F90 did exactly that and it was a tad unfair on early adopters!

I believe the F90 competition was announced months after the base F90 release.

...yes that is what I'm saying...seems like the F90 Comp came just months after the base car, rather than ZCP style 12-18 months later or simultaneously. Worst scenario for early adopters...

paliknight · 08-04-2018, 02:29 AM

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The new M5 just has two models: normal and Competition. Competition is its own distinct model. Judging by what BMW is doing with the M2 Competition and M5 Competition it's pretty safe to say the next M3 will have its own Competition model a year after debut. So yes everyone should wait one model year.

based on how quickly the released the M5C, then id bet only a few months later or maybe even at the same time (a la AMG)

It's better if they release them simultaneously MB style since consumers won't be remorseful towards BMW for letting them buy an M car then release a competition version a short while after.

F90 did exactly that and it was a tad unfair on early adopters!

I believe the F90 competition was announced months after the base F90 release.

...yes that is what I'm saying...seems like the F90 Comp came just months after the base car, rather than ZCP style 12-18 months later or simultaneously. Worst scenario for early adopters...

Oh I understand what you mean now. Yeah that's definitely a giant middle finger to early adopters.

I meant announce the two trims simultaneously that way buyers wouldn't need to wait two years for the comp pack/trim. This would also avoid screwing over buyers that want the comp but settled for the base because they thought it would be two years before the release of the comp.

I believe that's what Mercedes does. Releases the 63 and 63s simultaneously. Or at least announces them together.

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