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It is a very quick car. Straight line, the car punches above it's weight. However, that's where the performance ends. Even on summer tires, the car simply doesn't perform like a "drivers car." Here is a quick excerpt: Even with 19-inch Michelin Pilot Sport 4S summer tires (18s with all-seasons are standard), it managed only 0.91 g of skidpad grip, and understeer dominates. We've recorded more stick from the newest 3-series and even some family sedans, although our car did stop from 70 mph in a short 149 feet. or Here is another: There's no doubt that the M440i drives better than it looks. Understand, though, that it isn't a 3 Series coupe. Like the finest GT cars, the M440i is capable but distances its driver from the machinery underneath. It's powerful, poised, and easy to drive fast. Yet there's incredibly little sensation of speed, and the feelings of connection and involvement that true driver's cars offer are all but absent. Don't think I'm raining on your parade, I'm sure its fun to drive quickly, but "drivers car" it is not. Maybe the lighter 430i will closer to what BMWs of yore were famous for?
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Yes, it could be said the M440i is a modern drivers car. The problem is that many reviewers are stuck in the 1990s and 2000s in terms of their concept of what a “drivers car” is.
As always, perspective is key. Before G22 production ends we’ll see electric, semi autonomous cars become more common, and perhaps with the exception of select few Porsche models, the GT86 and Miata, the death of manual transmission. Given these unfortunate inevitabilities, a 4,000 pound M440i doesn’t seem too bad. Also, the lighter, more balanced RWD M440i model is forthcoming as well... |
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Only thing that happened was what I mentioned. My car downshifts to the lowest possible gear when I keep the left paddle shifter pressed for a few seconds. Say I'm I'm 5th and driving at around 2k RPMs. Click downshift paddle once and it goes to 4th. I released and long pressed it. Instead of shifting to 3rd, it downshifted to 2nd. No sprint mode though. When I'm in 5th at 2k RPMs and long pressed the downshift paddle, it downshifted to 3rd IIRC. But yes. No sprint mode.
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Also really doubt those ski pad results. The 4 series felt much grippier than the M340 and to make it understeer you got to try pretty hard. |
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As a F36 4 series owner, I must say the new car is better in 99% ways imaginable. Better steering, better grip on the front, engine is another story. it's also much quieter with much better interior. The only thing that has become worse is the weight and the car feel a little more numb when driven hard.
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The “ultimate driving machine” debate slays me. Half of all BMWs are SUVs. Most 5s and 7s are executive or senior citizen cruisers. The 3 is a “sports sedan” and the 4 is a “sports coupe or convertible.” The 2, M3, M5 are damn good driving machines, but they are not sports cars in the true sense. And... probably far fewer than half of the non SUV units are driven “ultimately” on the street, and fewer than maybe 5% will ever see any kind of track other than a railroad crossing.
A GT car is generally defined as combining luxury or comfort with performance (not just speed) and sports styling. Based on that and the builds that 3 and 4 owners on here post, I would propose that the performance oriented 3 and 4 series cars actually fall more into the GT category, as does the C8 Corvette, which btw with only two seats and a plastic body weighs in at 3700 pounds and a balance of 40/60 so weight ratio alone can be deceiving. Whether you like the styling of the styling of the G22 or not, it falls into to GT category, and that is not necessarily a bad “drivers car.” |
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Since we want to keep harping on "true driver's car" and "E46 M3", I'll just drop a reminder that the E46 only pulled 0.86 on the skidpad.
0.91 > 0.86. Maybe pick a different aspect to argue over to quantify what constitutes a "driver's car". |
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As an F32 435xd owner new 4 series felt numb, bigger, heavier. Felt like I had jumped from 3 series coupe to a 6 series. And F32 was not a drivers car either but I liked the looks, practicality of a rear biased awd and a tow hook that most coupes do not offer. M2 was a drivers car that I really enjoyed. New 4 series interior feels much nicer with the exception of the digital gauges. As M2 is out of production it seems like Toyota Supra is the closest to the slogan “Ultimate Drivers Machine” 6 years ago when I bought the F32 I would never have tought that my next car would be a Yaris with a GR badge. Seems like it is time to move on from BMW. |
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Every iteration of the top trim BMW 3 series (not M) since the E90/92 era has put up very strong numbers from the get go. In the U.S. market buyers, reviewers, magazines are all WOW'd and statements like "BMW underrated the HP/TQ numbers." start to come out.
Then, like clockwork, 1 year later BMW issues a DME/ECU update to detune the initial batch of cars. Owners come on to Bimmerpost and complain how their car just isn't fast anymore since the mandatory software update. Somehow I do not think this time around will be any different. I look forward to another generation of similarities with the G22 Coupe. |
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