Turbo Transformer v JB+ v JB4

blackg20_330i · 03-17-2021, 08:20 PM

So I went ahead and ordered a JB+ I will see how it goes and hopefully upgrade to JB4 in the future. I've been reading around and saw that some have ran anywhere between e20-e30 when using the JB+ at max setting. Anyone have any experience with using an ethanol mix on a piggyback tuner that isn't JB4?

Donia330i · 03-17-2021, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDudeMan

My best 0-60 since coding launch control and adding some more boost. Other mods include springs and 275 width tires.

Are you using the TT? How did you code launch control? And Dinan springs? any pics?

VipinLJ · 03-17-2021, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDudeMan

My best 0-60 since coding launch control and adding some more boost. Other mods include springs and 275 width tires.

What app is that? I'm assuming the TT app since it mentions delta and stuff? How does the app measure the time?

TheDudeMan · 03-17-2021, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Donia330i

Are you using the TT? How did you code launch control? And Dinan springs? any pics?

Check out my other threads - I don't want to whore images out lol, since I've posted a bunch already.

I coded launch control with Bimmercode expert mode by following instructions from the coding sub forum. World of difference compared to brake torquing the converter or flooring it off the line. The biggest difference is the elimination of wheel hop.

TheDudeMan · 03-17-2021, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by VipinLJ

What app is that? I'm assuming the TT app since it mentions delta and stuff? How does the app measure the time?

TT APP. Measures by using GPS from the phone.

Donia330i · 03-18-2021, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDudeMan

Check out my other threads - I don't want to whore images out lol, since I've posted a bunch already.

I coded launch control with Bimmercode expert mode by following instructions from the coding sub forum. World of difference compared to brake torquing the converter or flooring it off the line. The biggest difference is the elimination of wheel hop.

Found them. Thanks.

mike@x-ph.com · 03-18-2021, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by blackg20_330i

So I went ahead and ordered a JB+ I will see how it goes and hopefully upgrade to JB4 in the future. I've been reading around and saw that some have ran anywhere between e20-e30 when using the JB+ at max setting. Anyone have any experience with using an ethanol mix on a piggyback tuner that isn't JB4?

you can add a low mix of E85 with any tune as the ECU automatically adjusts up to a certain amount

VipinLJ · 03-18-2021, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDudeMan

TT APP. Measures by using GPS from the phone.

Ah gotcha. Hopefully you can find someone with a dragy to verify your car's times. My phone says my car takes anywhere between 4.1s to 7.9s for 0-60. Dragy gives an excellent estimation.

Donia330i · 03-18-2021, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDudeMan

Check out my other threads - I don't want to whore images out lol, since I've posted a bunch already.

I coded launch control with Bimmercode expert mode by following instructions from the coding sub forum. World of difference compared to brake torquing the converter or flooring it off the line. The biggest difference is the elimination of wheel hop.

Do you think bumping it to 3 psi has increased the tq more? Or is just the delivery of it now?

TheDudeMan · 03-18-2021, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VipinLJ

Ah gotcha. Hopefully you can find someone with a dragy to verify your car's times. My phone says my car takes anywhere between 4.1s to 7.9s for 0-60. Dragy gives an excellent estimation.

It's not important enough to keep trying. I'm satisfied with the added power.

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Originally Posted by Donia330i

Do you think bumping it to 3 psi has increased the tq more? Or is just the delivery of it now?

It's making 70ftlbs more. Dyno proven - check out their site. They have graphs and some videos. The best part of the power is it's made in the mid-range where most of us drive. Delivery is better as well as you feel solid power at 1/4 throttle.

Donia330i · 03-18-2021, 08:37 PM

Has anyone switch from JB+ to this TT?

VipinLJ · 03-18-2021, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDudeMan

It's not important enough to keep trying. I'm satisfied with the added power.

It's making 70ftlbs more. Dyno proven - check out their site. They have graphs and some videos. The best part of the power is it's made in the mid-range where most of us drive. Delivery is better as well as you feel solid power at 1/4 throttle.

True that. If you're happy, that's all that matters

YONIg20 · 03-25-2021, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

It depends on your setup, the Jb4 has map for stock cars and maps for upgraded turbo and methanol injection.

Do you know if it’s possible to use JB4 just for burble tuning sounds? Or easiest application for burble sounds? I did bm3 but my gas drained out like water lol and the tune got removed bc of over air Idrive update.

Also, thoughts on JB4 vs Bootmod3 (bm3) ? Both do burbles?

Thank you Mike! Ur the boss at these things.

mike@x-ph.com · 03-25-2021, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by YONIg20

Do you know if it’s possible to use JB4 just for burble tuning sounds? Or easiest application for burble sounds? I did bm3 but my gas drained out like water lol and the tune got removed bc of over air Idrive update.

Also, thoughts on JB4 vs Bootmod3 (bm3) ? Both do burbles?

Thank you Mike! Ur the boss at these things.

You need a flash tune like bm3 for burble

Thank you

nwg20 · 03-25-2021, 11:56 PM

Do piggyback tunes like the TT mess with your warranty? I thought it was only flash tunes, but have been reading the cars can now throw flags for things like over boost etc. and void the warranty when you visit the dealer.

todd92 · 04-01-2021, 08:37 AM

I've had the TT for a while and played with the settings. I am running base 3.6, slope 0.2, delta 3.0 on 93 pump gas. I find that any base higher than 3.6 results in a noticeable power surge, like old school turbo lag. 3.6 is as low as TT allows you to go. I am trying to emulate the BM3 tune I had, which also had no surge, just a swell of torque right off the bottom.

I don't understand why lower base numbers are considered more aggressive by TT, since the smoothest power delivery is achieved on the most aggressive setting. I find any higher base setting to be unacceptable. I could not get a good answer from TT on why the lower base is considered more aggressive, nor if that meant the tune was approaching any safety margin. Honestly, I would run even lower base if I could.

TheDudeMan · 04-01-2021, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by VipinLJ

Ah gotcha. Hopefully you can find someone with a dragy to verify your car's times. My phone says my car takes anywhere between 4.1s to 7.9s for 0-60. Dragy gives an excellent estimation.

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Originally Posted by todd92

I've had the TT for a while and played with the settings. I am running base 3.6, slope 0.2, delta 3.0 on 93 pump gas. I find that any base higher than 3.6 results in a noticeable power surge, like old school turbo lag. 3.6 is as low as TT allows you to go. I am trying to emulate the BM3 tune I had, which also had no surge, just a swell of torque right off the bottom.

I don't understand why lower base numbers are considered more aggressive by TT, since the smoothest power delivery is achieved on the most aggressive setting. I find any higher base setting to be unacceptable. I could not get a good answer from TT on why the lower base is considered more aggressive, nor if that meant the tune was approaching any safety margin. Honestly, I would run even lower base if I could.

I feel the opposite. I smoothed out the slope and had the boost kick in later. Anything 4.9 or below base was super surgy. Here is the thing, you can't compare BM3 and a piggyback. Piggybacks trick the computer where as flash tunes are the programing which your car runs on.

TheDudeMan · 04-01-2021, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nwg20

Do piggyback tunes like the TT mess with your warranty? I thought it was only flash tunes, but have been reading the cars can now throw flags for things like over boost etc. and void the warranty when you visit the dealer.

Yes. Anything you do outside of OEM accessories voids your warranty. The thing is, if the modification is not the root cause of the concern, the warranty stays intact. i.e. Check engine light goes on, but the only mod you have installed is coilovers.

ghostB48 · 04-02-2021, 12:09 PM

I've just got a JB4 and I'm absolutely loving it. Great amount of power added compared to stock. I haven't had a JB+ to compare it to, but I was in the same boat stuck between the two. I would definitely recommend getting the JB4 simply because of how easy it is to use and how many other benefits it comes with like the bluetooth connectivity which enables on the fly map change.

If you are worried about service, I have gone in twice now and the JB4 is super easy to remove. I've timed it down to 4 minutes flat to install and uninstall, being that you can wrap your head around those damn connectors for the sensors.

You won't be disappointed!

VipinLJ · 04-02-2021, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ghostB48

I've just got a JB4 and I'm absolutely loving it. Great amount of power added compared to stock. I haven't had a JB+ to compare it to, but I was in the same boat stuck between the two. I would definitely recommend getting the JB4 simply because of how easy it is to use and how many other benefits it comes with like the bluetooth connectivity which enables on the fly map change.

If you are worried about service, I have gone in twice now and the JB4 is super easy to remove. I've timed it down to 4 minutes flat to install and uninstall, being that you can wrap your head around those damn connectors for the sensors.

You won't be disappointed!

Same. jB+ to JB4 is a decent jump. Not in outright power. But the way the car behaves. On my custom map, car feels really smooth. It doesn't feel stressed at all.

And uninstalling/reinstalling it is a breeze once you figure out how to remove the OEM connectors. I recommend it too. Only downside is that is can be expensive if you're buying it new.

mike@x-ph.com · 04-04-2021, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ghostB48

I've just got a JB4 and I'm absolutely loving it. Great amount of power added compared to stock. I haven't had a JB+ to compare it to, but I was in the same boat stuck between the two. I would definitely recommend getting the JB4 simply because of how easy it is to use and how many other benefits it comes with like the bluetooth connectivity which enables on the fly map change.

If you are worried about service, I have gone in twice now and the JB4 is super easy to remove. I've timed it down to 4 minutes flat to install and uninstall, being that you can wrap your head around those damn connectors for the sensors.

You won't be disappointed!

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blackg20_330i Enlisted Member 30 Rep 32 Posts Drives: 2020 330i Xdrive Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Illinois iTrader: (0)	So I went ahead and ordered a JB+ I will see how it goes and hopefully upgrade to JB4 in the future. I've been reading around and saw that some have ran anywhere between e20-e30 when using the JB+ at max setting. Anyone have any experience with using an ethanol mix on a piggyback tuner that isn't JB4?
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nwg20 New Member 10 Rep 29 Posts Drives: G20 330i xDrive Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: IL iTrader: (0)	Do piggyback tunes like the TT mess with your warranty? I thought it was only flash tunes, but have been reading the cars can now throw flags for things like over boost etc. and void the warranty when you visit the dealer.
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todd92 Second Lieutenant 170 Rep 254 Posts Drives: 05 ZHP, 19 X5 xDrive40i Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: NJ iTrader: (1)	I've had the TT for a while and played with the settings. I am running base 3.6, slope 0.2, delta 3.0 on 93 pump gas. I find that any base higher than 3.6 results in a noticeable power surge, like old school turbo lag. 3.6 is as low as TT allows you to go. I am trying to emulate the BM3 tune I had, which also had no surge, just a swell of torque right off the bottom. I don't understand why lower base numbers are considered more aggressive by TT, since the smoothest power delivery is achieved on the most aggressive setting. I find any higher base setting to be unacceptable. I could not get a good answer from TT on why the lower base is considered more aggressive, nor if that meant the tune was approaching any safety margin. Honestly, I would run even lower base if I could.
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ghostB48 New Member 2 Rep 12 Posts Drives: 2021 BMW 330i Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (0)	I've just got a JB4 and I'm absolutely loving it. Great amount of power added compared to stock. I haven't had a JB+ to compare it to, but I was in the same boat stuck between the two. I would definitely recommend getting the JB4 simply because of how easy it is to use and how many other benefits it comes with like the bluetooth connectivity which enables on the fly map change. If you are worried about service, I have gone in twice now and the JB4 is super easy to remove. I've timed it down to 4 minutes flat to install and uninstall, being that you can wrap your head around those damn connectors for the sensors. You won't be disappointed!
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