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      06-10-2021, 12:31 PM   #23
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Because the kidneys are worth billions to BMW and itís the only thing that makes it distinguishable from a Hyundai 1000 yards out to your average Joe?

ďNike should kill their non functional swoosh. Makes no sense.Ē
What a nonsense. It doesn't worth any "billions". The normal more conservative grill was the signature of the Bavarian automaker and was known everywhere. No need to have a pathetic and obnoxious design.

They did however, got rid of the Hofmeister kink and that was actually worth everything... !!! How that was not a unique feature of BMW?

If Nike will put that "swoosh" over three quarter of its shoes, you will not know that is a Nike anyway and it will look like crap...

People that buy a BMW just to make sure that even that redneck / uneducated "average Joe" knows what they are driving, then they did not buy this vehicle for its engineering for sure; they just have more money than "Joe"...

But hey, I guess this is the new BMW's audience...
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To the uninitiated like me, the grille on the i4 concept and the i4 look pretty much the same, can you explain the differences that make the former great and the latter atrocious?
https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/03/07/b...-powerful-evs/
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Because the kidneys are worth billions to BMW and itís the only thing that makes it distinguishable from a Hyundai 1000 yards out to your average Joe?

ďNike should kill their non functional swoosh. Makes no sense.Ē
Nike killing their swoosh would indeed make no sense. BMW killing this new provocative design which 80% rejects, would make perfect sense. Your analogy between both is totally irrelevant IMHO.
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They need to stop they have way too many models it's too much and they all suck. BMW needs to go back to have a product line like the 90s. they are turning me off from being a BMW customer I rather buy the old cars
I feel you on this. but they don't make all those models for people like us. just like Porsche, building mass market stuff gives them room to make the special stuff.
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It looks great, this slightly diff grill shape than the G22 is a big improvement
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Why this car hasn't a frunk?
Tesla has it
And goes faster
And goes farther
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But does it have passenger lumbar support or HK sound system? Didn't think so…
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BMW killing this new provocative design which 80% rejects, would make perfect sense.
The verdict is still out.
The sentiment in this forum does not reflect general consumer's opinion. We will know how well these cars sell in a few years time.
My guess? They will continue to sell well.
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That's not the i4 Concept, that's the i Vision Dynamics study. Note "study" not "concept", so really just a design study without anybody having to worry about actual physics, regulations or other things.

The i4 Concept is below.

I think I read BMW had a change of heart regarding those early outline i grilles and went with a more traditional styling based on feedback to those studies (i Vision Dynamics and Vision i NEXT)
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      06-11-2021, 02:29 AM   #34
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The verdict is still out.
The sentiment in this forum does not reflect general consumer's opinion. We will know how well these cars sell in a few years time.
My guess? They will continue to sell well.
Pretty much as correct as a statement can be. This forums does not reflect how well they will sell this cars, considering this is a enthusiast forums more then it is for the average BMW interested person. The narrow scope of vision for a lot of the users here makes them think they are a majority of who BMW is selling and making cars for. Just as with other forums where a lot of like minded people are there is little room for a different view of how something is gonna be or not. When you check the forums here a lot of people here are claiming "The end is near" BMW is gonna drown.

You go out to the real world people are more positive in their view of BMW's recent changes in both terms of design and putting more R&D and investing money in to sustainability. Being a Zealot is a dangerous thing it narrows your mind to such an extent that any other view is considered being heretic as we the Hofmeister kink that got so many on the forums exploding like a volcano... you go out to the real world and people are like "The kink what?"

Same with the grill change for with the 3 series as an example E21 you can clearly see the whole front is pretty much a grill both vertical and horizontal


If you are telling your self something else then you are simply kidding your self it is when they went to the E36 design thats when they changed to that of the more horizontal grill with painting the sides of the grill making it smaller and less of a focus



And that was kept all the way to the F series so to speak when they started experimenting with connecting the headlights to the grill, oh man i remember what of a crazy show that was. So in other words BMW has been stuck design wise between the year 1970-2013. For me the E21 Enormous front as the whole grill have been looking more sporty then what came after it until E90.

Now that they have finally broken free of those chains and can experiment with the design. Thats when the conservative side went in to full nuclear meltdown on the forums :-) I bet BMW as a company when they change designer in the future someone is gonna say "Oh we will never ever change to that of the G series design grill again" and then show will go on and on. After all BMW does what BMW does the best making money whether it be of enthusiasts or the average Joe consumer.
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The ship has sailed on the grills. This new design language will not be undone for sometime.
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Wow so many haters just unbelievable.
One has to appreciate electric and innovation, while appreciating the quality and feel of the BMW.
Also, so many polarizing posts - Tesla is better, bla bla. So I'm an owner of T M3 LR RWD and still pre-ordered the i4 (will decide M or non M later). Why? Cause I actually went Tesla M3 for the innovation, range, etc, but in my heart was just waiting for BMW to bring out something worthy. Now I can switch to BMW and just enjoy. Range wise - don't be fooled, it's an ~84 gross / ~81 net kwh battery with quite strong efficiency (ix3 already showing this, the i4 will be much more streamlined obviously) - so real life range (not WLTP / EPA nonsense) will definitely beat T M3 Performance / LR.
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Yea, letís give this guy all the dialogue and letís not hire a professional presenter. And you know what? Letís add some early 2010s dubstep beat over the video.


I mean seriously, whatís going on down at BMW?
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The verdict is still out.
The sentiment in this forum does not reflect general consumer's opinion. We will know how well these cars sell in a few years time.
My guess? They will continue to sell well.

True. But, with a less controversial design, they would have been able to sell more.
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Why does it need the beaver teeth if it's electric? Is it still loaded up with radiators for some reason?
Because the kidneys are worth billions to BMW and it’s the only thing that makes it distinguishable from a Hyundai 1000 yards out to your average Joe?

“Nike should kill their non functional swoosh. Makes no sense.”
Not even close - The Nike swoosh is a logo - the BMW kidneys a design signature but not in this awful version.

They should have made it more i8 like - that's a cool version of the kidneys that stay modern and stay true
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Remove both rear doors and I will buy one.
Wouldnít it be very windy and noisy to drive around like that?
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True. But, with a less controversial design, they would have been able to sell more.
More isnít always the goal. Ideally, they only need as much demand as plant/component capacity.
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Yes, why is there no frunk?
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That's not the i4 Concept, that's the i Vision Dynamics study. Note "study" not "concept", so really just a design study without anybody having to worry about actual physics, regulations or other things.

The i4 Concept is below.

I think I read BMW had a change of heart regarding those early outline i grilles and went with a more traditional styling based on feedback to those studies (i Vision Dynamics and Vision i NEXT)
Yep, I'm aware of the two 'concepts' that were out there. Apologies for not being more specific. They 100% could have carried that aesthetic over to the production car. The i4 grille is slightly less obnoxious than the regular 4 series. I could live with it in a darker color. When I'm done with my F30, I'll consider the i4. I do want my next car to be BEV.
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