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      06-06-2020, 10:04 AM   #1
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According to our sources, when it goes on sale in early 2021, the BMW M3 (G80) and M4 (G82) will be offered only with a rear-wheel drive configuration. As you might recall, for the first time in the history of the M brand, the M3/M4 will also come with the xDrive all-wheel drive flavor.

We can also confirm today that the manual transmission will only be offered with the rear-wheel drive M3/M4. We can also confirm the power output for that “Pure” model – 480 horsepower.

On the other hand, the 8-speed automatic M3/M4 Competition will be paired with the xDrive variants producing 510 horsepower.

Furthermore, the “Pure” models are likely to have restyled aprons front and rear, their own wheel design, an optional standalone signature paint job, special fabric and alcantara upholstery, color-coded cabin trim and bespoke instrument graphics.
This Pure model sounds very interesting - especially the exclusive trim and color.
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I Wonder when the AWD version will drop? 🤔
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I remember someone posted this weeks ago and he mentioned July 2021 which kinda sucks as far as I am concerned.

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I cannot comment on insider info but my information but it is accurate. I believe M3 will be RWD with 6MT and Automatic however xDrive is ONLY available in Automatic (Same Tech as M5) AWD, Sport 4WD, and 2WD selectability. But xDrive will not go into production until July 21.

I think states with Front License plates are going to make this far really ugly based on the grill design ��

I did see car with Green color on M3 and the yellow color on M4 comp. both looked good.

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I expect the manual/RWD & auto/AWD to be available at the same time. Over 80% will be the latter and I don't think BMW would risk delaying those owners from being early adopters to drive the latest & greatest.
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I have a hard time believing the awd model will be delayed introduction. Bmw has positioned xdrive as its premium drivetrain offering (example: new M440 where xdrive was the introduced variant and rwd is not coming till November)

I won't jump on this train till one of the proven insiders backs it up.
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I expect the manual/RWD & auto/AWD to be available at the same time. Over 80% will be the latter and I don't think BMW would risk delaying those owners from being early adopters to drive the latest & greatest.
Completely disagree - AWD will be heavier and more expensive as well.
I think sales of RWD will be more than 50%.
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OK, so pure it is for G80, at least we know. An Xdrive 6MT would have allowed me to get rid of a few cars, but I want a larger car with 4 doors, but it has to be a stick.

However, no Euro Delivery has me looking around at various new cars, part of my allegiance was the ‘Stairway to Heaven at The Welt’....what an experience.

W/O that option I have several contenders.
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Completely disagree - AWD will be heavier and more expensive as well.
I think sales of RWD will be more than 50%.
I would only agree if you count Auto/RWD in that 50% (I'm not sure if that's a confirmed combo).

What I understood from the OP is that it'll be launched as Manual/RWD (no Auto/RWD) and that's what I can't understand as the Manual/RWD version will be 20% or less sales in my opinion.
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Hasn’t the delayed AWD launch rumor been debunct or at least seriously questioned by moderators in the know here?
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Completely disagree - AWD will be heavier and more expensive as well.
I think sales of RWD will be more than 50%.
I would only agree if you count Auto/RWD in that 50% (I'm not sure if that's a confirmed combo).

What I understood from the OP is that it'll be launched as Manual/RWD (no Auto/RWD) and that's what I can't understand as the Manual/RWD version will be 20% or less sales in my opinion.
Yeah i can't tell based on above but seems like there will be an auto RWD option which would be part of that 50%

F80 manual take rate in the US was like 28% according to bmwblog as of their article in 1/2019.

I can't begin to guess what the distribution will look like but I'm hoping more units will sell to the colder markets to help R&D moving forward.

Okay fine I'll venture a guess:

1/3 6MT/RWD
1/3 Auto/RWD
1/3 Auto/AWD
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Yeah i can't tell based on above but seems like there will be an auto RWD option which would be part of that 50%

F80 manual take rate in the US was like 28% according to bmwblog as of their article in 1/2019.

I can't begin to guess what the distribution will look like but I'm hoping more units will sell to the colder markets to help R&D moving forward.

Okay fine I'll venture a guess:

1/3 6MT/RWD
1/3 Auto/RWD
1/3 Auto/AWD
I suspect BMW’s reason to offer M-Xdrive for the G8X has close to nothing to do with winter practicality and everything to do with performance. I suspect that once the numbers are out many RWD fans will cave in to the allure of the much faster car and that the take rate will be above 50% for AWD.

Once you actually have the pen in your hand ready to sign, much faster or not...hmmm.

The hardcore MT crowd will not care. MT or death.
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I suspect BMW’s reason to offer M-Xdrive for the G8X has close to nothing to do with winter practicality and everything to do with performance. I suspect that once the numbers are out many RWD fans will cave in to the allure of the much faster car and that the take rate will be above 50% for AWD.

Once you actually have the pen in your hand ready to sign, much faster or not...hmmm.

The hardcore MT crowd will not care. MT or death.
I kind of agree with that, and I'm one of those who want the faster car!

I was a manual guy years ago and enjoyed my manual BMWs up to and including my 2007 Z4M Coupe which was arguably the most fun BMWs at the time. Then I tried the ZF8 in my current F30 335i and it's good enough as an auto for a daily driver, even when I was pushing close to 400whp and over 470wtq it performed well.

Driving my modded 335 and test driving an F80 M3 convinced me that RWD has its limitations when straight line performance is important to you. A big part of enjoying a fast car for me is being able to take off fast at a light & the ability to go to the twisty roads and have some fun.

So now I'm considering a G80 M3 auto & AWD and I'm sure it'll deliver what it takes to keep me happy for many years.
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I kind of agree with that, and I'm one of those who want the faster car!

I was a manual guy years ago and enjoyed my manual BMWs up to and including my 2007 Z4M Coupe which was arguably the most fun BMWs at the time. Then I tried the ZF8 in my current F30 335i and it's good enough as an auto for a daily driver, even when I was pushing close to 400whp and over 470wtq it performed well.

Driving my modded 335 and test driving an F80 M3 convinced me that RWD has its limitations when straight line performance is important to you. A big part of enjoying a fast car for me is being able to take off fast at a light & the ability to go to the twisty roads and have some fun.

So now I'm considering a G80 M3 auto & AWD and I'm sure it'll deliver what it takes to keep me happy for many years.
I remember the lightly embarrassed tone of BMW when the R35 GTR was launched. “Everyone has a problem with that car” is a statement stuck. I’m sure part of the reasons of AWD is to close that gap.

What does the 3900 lbs GTR have on the current M4 comp?
About 100hp, better aero and a very trick AWD system. Each key to it’s tremendous performance.

An AWD G82 comp. will add most of those things though still short of 50hp or so. Signs are there that it will be an animal though and far outperform the RWD version.
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I suspect BMW's reason to offer M-Xdrive for the G8X has close to nothing to do with winter practicality and everything to do with performance. I suspect that once the numbers are out many RWD fans will cave in to the allure of the much faster car and that the take rate will be above 50% for AWD.

Once you actually have the pen in your hand ready to sign, much faster or not...hmmm.

The hardcore MT crowd will not care. MT or death.
I agree with their reasoning but I think there will be more people in the market for a family car that they can also use year round....

guess we'll just have to see what happens. and the good thing about the AWD is you don't even have to give up RWD for it! the Auto/RWD crowd will be a lot of penny pinchers I think lol. It's a weird combination for me with the X drive available. the extra weight down low doesn't really scare me, personally.

I wanted 6MT/MXD. without that I'm not too sure about the G80, especially since I'm already compromising on the looks.
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I suspect BMW’s reason to offer M-Xdrive for the G8X has close to nothing to do with winter practicality and everything to do with performance. I suspect that once the numbers are out many RWD fans will cave in to the allure of the much faster car and that the take rate will be above 50% for AWD.

Once you actually have the pen in your hand ready to sign, much faster or not...hmmm.

The hardcore MT crowd will not care. MT or death.
I think the price difference will be over $10k.
You are not only getting AWD but also 30hp more (480 to 510) and different bumpers, trim etc. If comp package historically has been about $7k, then this AWD model will be at least $10k difference.
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I Wonder when the AWD version will drop? 🤔
X drive will 2 or 3 tenths 0-60, not to mention the HP increase
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I think the price difference will be over $10k.
You are not only getting AWD but also 30hp more (480 to 510) and different bumpers, trim etc. If comp package historically has been about $7k, then this AWD model will be at least $10k difference.
Dang... pretty steep but I bet you're right. MXdrive and comp pkg is going to closing in on $100k then maybe ... yikes. That would definitely have me cross shopping for M5CP again too. When I got my F80s I got a few grand off and they were mid-/high 60s... that was a good value to me but $90k+ would be tough to justify.
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I think the price difference will be over $10k.
You are not only getting AWD but also 30hp more (480 to 510) and different bumpers, trim etc. If comp package historically has been about $7k, then this AWD model will be at least $10k difference.
Go RWD and spend the £10k on CCB’s and the carbon seats!
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Dang... pretty steep but I bet you're right. MXdrive and comp pkg is going to closing in on $100k then maybe ... yikes. That would definitely have me cross shopping for M5CP again too. When I got my F80s I got a few grand off and they were mid-/high 60s... that was a good value to me but $90k+ would be tough to justify.
I guess the price difference between an F8X CP and a G8X CP AWD should be similar as the difference between an F10 M5 CP and a that of an F90 CP. No idea what that is though...

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Dang... pretty steep but I bet you're right. MXdrive and comp pkg is going to closing in on $100k then maybe ... yikes. That would definitely have me cross shopping for M5CP again too. When I got my F80s I got a few grand off and they were mid-/high 60s... that was a good value to me but $90k+ would be tough to justify.
I think that estimate is way too high, the g80 should track the x3m pretty closely with the g82 coupe a couple grand more. You are only going to see near 100k with ccbs, a ton of m performance addons, and individual paint.

Loaded x3m is ~84k so I would expect a similarly equip g80 (competition, exec, driver assistance pro) to be +/- 1k of that amount. I suspect most are going to go out the door 75-80k msrp
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I think that estimate is way too high, the g80 should track the x3m pretty closely with the g82 coupe a couple grand more. You are only going to see near 100k with ccbs, a ton of m performance addons, and individual paint.

Loaded x3m is ~84k so I would expect a similarly equip g80 (competition, exec, driver assistance pro) to be +/- 1k of that amount. I suspect most are going to go out the door 75-80k msrp
I seem to recall plenty $80K+ (MSRP at least) F80s when optioned (lots of tech and maybe an individual paint but still nothing too crazy). If we're adding MXDr on there it'll shoot up pretty fast.

I am just basing this on my gut though and I won't fight to the death over this ... and i do hope you're right.
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I seem to recall plenty $80K+ (MSRP at least) F80s when optioned (lots of tech and maybe an individual paint but still nothing too crazy). If we're adding MXDr on there it'll shoot up pretty fast.

I am just basing this on my gut though and I won't fight to the death over this ... and i do hope you're right.
Yeah, mine was just under $83k with just about every option ticked without individual paint or dipping into the performance catalog. That was mainly due to full leather, exec, comp, and DCT, plus a half dozen or so a la carte options (metallic paint, apple car play, active blind spot detection, etc.).

My lease is due up in March on the F80, if a similarly equipped G80 jumps to $90k with MXDr, and I can't get a 15% discount that close to launch... especially if I'm really waiting a couple months for the MXDr to happen combined with my teetering feelings of the grille... I'm much more likely to head across the parking lot and look at a stripper 992 for only a few grand more.
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