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I don't think so. Sports sedan is just a marketing term now anyway. It can mean anything to anyone. Mercedes calls the c class a sports sedan. Doesn't make it true or accurate. I think 80-90% of BMW buyers and buyers in general will be highly satisfied with the G20. It's the best midsize sporty luxury car on the market at that price point.(both 330i and 340i)
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And to be fair my cousin also calls his Honda accord sport a sports sedan.
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Must be that super sporty CVT
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Don't crucify me here but I think the EPS rack in the accord sport, while a bit lighter, is still overall a bit better and more precise than the G20.
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It's a competent car built to a price point mostly for point A to point B commuting and generally reliable transportation. Nothing more, nothing less. Honestly, don't get what's all the hoopla about them. And yes, I owned my fair share of Honda and Acura products back in the 1990s.
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Agree, most Honda's have a better EPS rack, hell even Mazda does and they use to benchmark BMW for that stuff!
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I'm aware... I was just poking fun
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Also, a FWD Mazda 3 6MT can be a lot of fun. A friend of mine has one (last generation), and while its down on power, its lightweight and has the "slow car fast"/Miata effect, where your working for the power and wringing out the gears, not to mention the chassis, steering and gearbox are really good. Pretty fun. Would I want one for my everyday vehicle, no, but I can't say that it wasn't a lot of fun despite its "limitations." The GTI and Si, ST, etc. is the same way and they are great little cars for those who don't want to spend more than $25k for a fun car.
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From my perspective a sport sedan should be engaging, and the G20 is not that engaging. Sure its better than an F30, but I'd rather have an older BMW that has the feel I prefer than spend $60k on something that doesn't make me happy. I've done the later by getting a G30 530i M-Sport and was bored out of my mind with that car. Thankfully it's gone now. Last edited by wknddrivr; 03-27-2020 at 12:35 PM.. |
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Yeah i was referring to purely steering only. The G20 obviously out excels the accord and others in almost every other area. BUt also have to look at the price point....although that Mazda 3 interior isn't too shabby! And it's pretty fun to toss around for a FWD.
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But my perspective is that buying a 2020 model is not my only option and there is nothing compelling enough about the G20 to make me want it over my E36 or my E39. Those cars are more engaging and are a lot cheaper than an M340. I'd be happy with another E90 or trying an E46 too before I went to a G20...I miss my E90, that was an excellent car. I also agree on your point about the M2. You asked about cars in the price range of the M340 that are better, and thats the M2 comp. Cayman is more expensive. Personally I would not buy the M2 because I prefer the Cayman for the reasons you mention, and the more fickle reason that I'm sick of having cars with black interiors, and thats all that you can get on the M2. I'm leaning towards the Cayman GTS now that it has the flat 6. The GT4 is a consideration, but I prefer cars that are more enjoyable on the street that can be taken on the track (GTS) rather than a car thats designed primarily for track use but also can be driven on the street (GT4) |
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Not going to lie- I used to be diehard BMW fanboy in my younger years. I wouldn't dare let anyone criticize the coveted 3 series. But back then- those cars really were the true ultimate unanimous benchmark. It wasn't even close. The 3/5/7 series was untouchable. But with time & age comes new perspectives. Markets change, customers change, companies change, technology changes, and products ultimately change to meet all these new demands. Widespread use of EPS for fuel savings and efficiency really leveled the playing field. And with new advances in safety & tech, most cars are top safety + picks and now you can also get most new tech options and "luxury" features in even an economy car. Bottom line is - many companies have massively improved their vehicle line ups and are simply just doing some things better and that has to be recognized and applauded. BMW has too and still excels and leads in many areas but it's not universal dominance anymore.
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So a FWD car is the answer, not an exige or Cayman. I know someone is going to mention price point but in life one always has to make compromises. No way I would chose a FWD VW over a RWD bimmer.
If someone is going to fault the G20, then at least go hardcore. Same for the Macan suggestion, would never buy that over an M340i. Imagine that, crossover is the answer. Also, driving an older bimmer and having to do the upkeep is not for everyone. My last E46 I put on 200K miles but the upkeep was a hassle. In 2016 when I parted ways I swore to never hang unto a car that long again.
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