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      08-29-2019, 08:05 AM   #45
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"Alongside the E46 it was BMW at its very best. Unfortunately poor reliability makes it difficult to hang onto them".

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Yes, many on this forum (including me) criticize Alfa for its lack of reliability and contend that this is sufficient reason not to buy one, even though it it is great to drive. We should at least hold BMW to the same standard!
I never had reliability issues with any E9X Series car. I DID, however, have a reliability issue with my first of two E46 ///M3's though; a blown motor. I was one of the first to be caught up in that whole DME/bent rod debacle. BMW rectified the problem and put me in a new E60 for a month while they replaced my motor and extended my warranty to 100,000 miles.
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"Alongside the E46 it was BMW at its very best. Unfortunately poor reliability makes it difficult to hang onto them".

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Yes, many on this forum (including me) criticize Alfa for its lack of reliability and contend that this is sufficient reason not to buy one, even though it it is great to drive. We should at least hold BMW to the same standard!
I never had reliability issues with any E9X Series car. I DID, however, have a reliability issue with my first E46 ///M3 though; a blown motor. I was one of the first to be caught up in that whole DME/bent rod debacle. BMW rectified the problem and put me in a new E60 for a month while they replaced my motor and extended my warranty to 100,000 miles.
I had more issues after 100k miles, which of course is a given with any car, its just that it can add up so quickly for a BMW, with parts and labor being expensive. The electric water pumps in particular were a real annoyance, especially when it came to costs. Most 328/330 owners fared better reliability wise than the 335 owners of course due to the more complicated nature of a twin turbocharged engine. Regarding the E46 I started having a bunch of cooling issues (an E46 speciality) past 150k and then the head gasket went around 200k (which is surprisingly later than when I thought it would).

These are great cars, but with any BMW, you'd be lying if you said they had great long term reliability/longevity, but as I always say, your milage may vary.
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If you could give me a choice of my 2011 E90 brand spanking new or my 2019 G20.

I would take the G20 all day.

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Your mileage may vary.
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If you could give me a choice of my 2011 E90 brand spanking new or my 2019 G20.

I would take the G20 all day.

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Same here. However for me it would explain why some of car magazines describe you can steer an E90 with one finger while mine E90 requires some noticeable force to change direction. I like it but always wondered if something was wrong.
(mine is from 2005)
Yes, it does explain the varied comments on steering weighting across the models. I had a 2006 E91 330d without servotronic, that was very 'weighty', particularly at low speeds. I preferred the HPAS with servotronic in the E9x models.

My F11's EPS is pretty good, decent heft as speed increases, reasonably light at low manoeuvring speeds. For me, much better weighted, and less quirky than a lot of the more recent models.
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"Alongside the E46 it was BMW at its very best. Unfortunately poor reliability makes it difficult to hang onto them".

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Yes, many on this forum (including me) criticize Alfa for its lack of reliability and contend that this is sufficient reason not to buy one, even though it it is great to drive. We should at least hold BMW to the same standard!
I never had reliability issues with any E9X Series car. I DID, however, have a reliability issue with my first E46 ///M3 though; a blown motor. I was one of the first to be caught up in that whole DME/bent rod debacle. BMW rectified the problem and put me in a new E60 for a month while they replaced my motor and extended my warranty to 100,000 miles.
I had more issues after 100k miles, which of course is a given with any car, its just that it can add up so quickly for a BMW, with parts and labor being expensive. The electric water pumps in particular were a real annoyance, especially when it came to costs. Most 328/330 owners fared better reliability wise than the 335 owners of course due to the more complicated nature of a twin turbocharged engine. Regarding the E46 I started having a bunch of cooling issues (an E46 speciality) past 150k and then the head gasket went around 200k (which is surprisingly later than when I thought it would).

These are great cars, but with any BMW, you'd be lying if you said they had great long term reliability/longevity, but as I always say, your milage may vary.
To be fair, you are in the mid-100k miles and eclipsing 200k miles. Things begin to break. My commuter '06 C320 just hit 336k miles, and while she still needs a new oil pan gasket and she burns a lil oil, I still drive her comfortably to and from work every day; keeps the miles off of my ///M4. Around 210k miles a radiator hose busted on my C320 while driving. At 250k miles a few more things started to break (...water pump, fuel pump, left side front knuckle, etc.). It was fairly expensive despite my independent mechanic hooking me up, but I accepted such things on a high mileage car (...and those were OE parts that were just worn). I wouldn't necessarily label such things reliability issues where we're talking 150k+ mileage. That's just wear and tear. We accept the added expense of such repairs and maintenance when we decided to roll German.
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"Alongside the E46 it was BMW at its very best. Unfortunately poor reliability makes it difficult to hang onto them".

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Yes, many on this forum (including me) criticize Alfa for its lack of reliability and contend that this is sufficient reason not to buy one, even though it it is great to drive. We should at least hold BMW to the same standard!
I never had reliability issues with any E9X Series car. I DID, however, have a reliability issue with my first E46 ///M3 though; a blown motor. I was one of the first to be caught up in that whole DME/bent rod debacle. BMW rectified the problem and put me in a new E60 for a month while they replaced my motor and extended my warranty to 100,000 miles.
I had more issues after 100k miles, which of course is a given with any car, its just that it can add up so quickly for a BMW, with parts and labor being expensive. The electric water pumps in particular were a real annoyance, especially when it came to costs. Most 328/330 owners fared better reliability wise than the 335 owners of course due to the more complicated nature of a twin turbocharged engine. Regarding the E46 I started having a bunch of cooling issues (an E46 speciality) past 150k and then the head gasket went around 200k (which is surprisingly later than when I thought it would).

These are great cars, but with any BMW, you'd be lying if you said they had great long term reliability/longevity, but as I always say, your milage may vary.
To be fair, you are in the mid-100k miles and eclipsing 200k miles. Things begin to break. My commuter '06 C320 just hit 336k miles, and while she still needs a new oil pan gasket and she burns a lil oil, I still drive her comfortably to and from work every day; keeps the miles off of my ///M4. Around 210k miles a radiator hose busted on my C320 while driving. At 250k miles a few more things started to break (...water pump, fuel pump, left side front knuckle, etc.). It was fairly expensive despite my independent mechanic hooking me up, but I accepted such things on a high mileage car (...and those were OE parts that were just worn). I wouldn't necessarily label such things reliability issues where we're talking 150k+ mileage. That's just wear and tear. We accept the added expense of such repairs and maintenance when we decided to roll German.
Oh yes I understand, I'm just saying, that BMW's don't have the long term reliability of say lexus and toyota, and that long term ownership of BMWs or any german vehicle will require a more expensive upkeep, but like you said, we go into the purchase already knowing that
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"Alongside the E46 it was BMW at its very best. Unfortunately poor reliability makes it difficult to hang onto them".

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Yes, many on this forum (including me) criticize Alfa for its lack of reliability and contend that this is sufficient reason not to buy one, even though it it is great to drive. We should at least hold BMW to the same standard!
I never had reliability issues with any E9X Series car. I DID, however, have a reliability issue with my first E46 ///M3 though; a blown motor. I was one of the first to be caught up in that whole DME/bent rod debacle. BMW rectified the problem and put me in a new E60 for a month while they replaced my motor and extended my warranty to 100,000 miles.
I had more issues after 100k miles, which of course is a given with any car, its just that it can add up so quickly for a BMW, with parts and labor being expensive. The electric water pumps in particular were a real annoyance, especially when it came to costs. Most 328/330 owners fared better reliability wise than the 335 owners of course due to the more complicated nature of a twin turbocharged engine. Regarding the E46 I started having a bunch of cooling issues (an E46 speciality) past 150k and then the head gasket went around 200k (which is surprisingly later than when I thought it would).

These are great cars, but with any BMW, you'd be lying if you said they had great long term reliability/longevity, but as I always say, your milage may vary.
To be fair, you are in the mid-100k miles and eclipsing 200k miles. Things begin to break. My commuter '06 C320 just hit 336k miles, and while she still needs a new oil pan gasket and she burns a lil oil, I still drive her comfortably to and from work every day; keeps the miles off of my ///M4. Around 210k miles a radiator hose busted on my C320 while driving. At 250k miles a few more things started to break (...water pump, fuel pump, left side front knuckle, etc.). It was fairly expensive despite my independent mechanic hooking me up, but I accepted such things on a high mileage car (...and those were OE parts that were just worn). I wouldn't necessarily label such things reliability issues where we're talking 150k+ mileage. That's just wear and tear. We accept the added expense of such repairs and maintenance when we decided to roll German.
Oh yes I understand, I'm just saying, that BMW's don't have the long term reliability of say lexus and toyota, and that long term ownership of BMWs or any german vehicle will require a more expensive upkeep, but like you said, we go into the purchase already knowing that
Better and more sophisticated machines, with superior parts and performance often require addition resources to properly maintain.
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Yeah, yeah...We know how much you hate the F series.
Car&Driver review today: "Back in the last 3 that we loved, the E90 generation from 2006 to 2012"

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Wait whut? A train goes on rails and therefore needs no steering wheel.. Not sure what you're saying here. If it would be on rails no steering would be needed. If you would keep your hands on the weel to keep it in a straight line I'd say it's not like it's on rails.
It's a figure of speech, at least here in the states. It means the car feels glued to the road, and that there is very little "filtering" of the road sensations to the driver.
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I think it's time this thread be moved to the E90 forum
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Car&Driver review today: "Back in the last 3 that we loved, the E90 generation from 2006 to 2012"

So they don't like the G20 too!! Hah!

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