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Dually agreed... e46 although somewhat dated now in 2019 is arguably the best looking 3 series to date - in particular the "M"
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IMHO the G20 drives more like the E90 than the F30.
Obviously the steering is never going to be as good as the hydraulic rack in the E90 but it is light years better than that in the F30. The engine in the 330i will feel very different than the E90 328i. It won't be as buttery smooth as the NA inline-6. But the turbo-4 has its charms, including tons of low-end torque. the 8ZF is as good as anything. The chassis is first rate. Drive one for yourself and form your own opinion. |
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Had an E90 and while it did handle well, everything else about it made it the "okayest" 3 series ever made. The design was so boring and bloated. Interior was
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Correct, I still own the last year of the e90 and with 176,000 miles on her I am still in love.
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The G20 is not even close. The E90 felt like it rode on rails, you had to keep both hands on the wheel for it to even go straight. A true driver's car. It was a perennial C&D 10 Best and swept the floor in comparison tests. Alongside the E46 it was BMW at its very best. Unfortunately poor reliability makes it difficult to hang onto them.
G20 is better than the abysmal F30 but it's still too refined. A very competent car but like every other BMW not named M2, the "fun" is stripped out of the experience. It's a nice car but is already losing comparison tests for a reason. BMW no longer offers anything that differentiates it product from competitors.
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"Alongside the E46 it was BMW at its very best. Unfortunately poor reliability makes it difficult to hang onto them".
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Wait whut? A train goes on rails and therefore needs no steering wheel.. Not sure what you're saying here. If it would be on rails no steering would be needed. If you would keep your hands on the weel to keep it in a straight line I'd say it's not like it's on rails.
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Yes, many on this forum (including me) criticize Alfa for its lack of reliability and contend that this is sufficient reason not to buy one, even though it it is great to drive. We should at least hold BMW to the same standard!
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Not so in Europe. We had EPS in some of the E9x models, (certainly from ~2008). Hardly a peep about it from many users, they didn't even know, other than it was lighter in heft than the HPAS.
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Wow!! This is the first time I have ever heard this. I’ve never seen a single thing about it. I didn’t even notice that the original poster referring to this was in the UK. Not to doubt you, but I did confirm the E9x EPS on RealOEM. I find this very interesting. I can’t believe no journalist ever commented on it. Maybe they did, but it certainly never made into the broad public discourse. Thanks for the correction.
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The fact we were running EPS in the E9x 3-series without hardly any comment, when suddenly there was the outrage that the F30 had EPS, and it was declared by many as deficient, "what were BMW doing?" was a surprise to guys like me. Sure it caught BMW on the back foot as well. I know at the time, I was a bit bemused, it was as if "bash EPS" was the thing to do, even if EPS had been around in the 3-series for a few years in some markets, without making the motoring headlines. I'm aware of users who had both HPAS and EPS in the E9x models and preferred EPS. |
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