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      08-26-2019, 07:37 PM   #23
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Agreed, to this day the E90 looks ho hum, didnt age well at all. The E46 was a great looking car with a nicely appointed interior and a mint one is drop dead gorgeous today especially with the M Tech II bits ala ZHP or the E46 M3.
Dually agreed... e46 although somewhat dated now in 2019 is arguably the best looking 3 series to date - in particular the "M"
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IMHO the G20 drives more like the E90 than the F30.
Obviously the steering is never going to be as good as the hydraulic rack in the E90 but it is light years better than that in the F30.

The engine in the 330i will feel very different than the E90 328i. It won't be as buttery smooth as the NA inline-6. But the turbo-4 has its charms, including tons of low-end torque. the 8ZF is as good as anything.

The chassis is first rate. Drive one for yourself and form your own opinion.
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      08-26-2019, 10:37 PM   #25
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Agreed, to this day the E90 looks ho hum, didnt age well at all. The E46 was a great looking car with a nicely appointed interior and a mint one is drop dead gorgeous today especially with the M Tech II bits ala ZHP or the E46 M3.
Dually agreed... e46 although somewhat dated now in 2019 is arguably the best looking 3 series to date - in particular the "M"
E46 was the model that made me fall in love with the 3 and the brand. As a kid, I always thought Bimmers were cool. When The Chase came out, I fell in love with Kristi Swanson and the 3er. Then when I was in college and the E46 came out, I knew I had to have one. It was so dammed perfect. Perfect balance of sporty and classy.

E90 was just so vanilla... especially before the facelift... taillights from a 90s Accord. Sure it drove well, but there was no passion. The styling of the F30 really got me in to it again and the jump from an NA 328 to a turbo 335 (living a mile above sea level) was enough to make me ignore the steering.

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      08-27-2019, 01:35 AM   #26
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E46 was the model that made me fall in love with the 3 and the brand. As a kid, I always thought Bimmers were cool.
Same here! To me it was the German TV show Cobra 11 that made me fall in love.



I love the E90 looks though!
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      08-27-2019, 09:09 AM   #27
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Agreed, to this day the E90 looks ho hum, didnt age well at all. The E46 was a great looking car with a nicely appointed interior and a mint one is drop dead gorgeous today especially with the M Tech II bits ala ZHP or the E46 M3.
Dually agreed... e46 although somewhat dated now in 2019 is arguably the best looking 3 series to date - in particular the "M"
I think the FXX, especially in ///M guise, is the best looking 3/4 to me, but I would take a clean E46 ///M ZCP over any E9X ///M or non-///M.
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E90 did drive well, but aesthetically I found the E90 the ugliest BMW of all recent 3 series models...so hideous I held on to my E46 until the F30 was released in 2012. As for the ride...put a M340 in Sport Plus and it will surpass the the E90 in steering, handling and horsepower, torque, etc. I'd take a G20 over an E90 any day. If you don't agree... go purchase a mint E90 instead.
This.

Had an E90 and while it did handle well, everything else about it made it the "okayest" 3 series ever made. The design was so boring and bloated. Interior was
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This is incorrect. The E9x 3er had hydraulic steering all the way through its model run. Electric assisted power steering was not introduced until the F3x.
Correct, I still own the last year of the e90 and with 176,000 miles on her I am still in love.
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The G20 is not even close. The E90 felt like it rode on rails, you had to keep both hands on the wheel for it to even go straight. A true driver's car. It was a perennial C&D 10 Best and swept the floor in comparison tests. Alongside the E46 it was BMW at its very best. Unfortunately poor reliability makes it difficult to hang onto them.

G20 is better than the abysmal F30 but it's still too refined. A very competent car but like every other BMW not named M2, the "fun" is stripped out of the experience. It's a nice car but is already losing comparison tests for a reason. BMW no longer offers anything that differentiates it product from competitors.
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"Alongside the E46 it was BMW at its very best. Unfortunately poor reliability makes it difficult to hang onto them".

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The G20 is not even close. The E90 felt like it rode on rails, you had to keep both hands on the wheel for it to even go straight. A true driver's car.t differentiates it product from competitors.
Wait whut? A train goes on rails and therefore needs no steering wheel.. Not sure what you're saying here. If it would be on rails no steering would be needed. If you would keep your hands on the weel to keep it in a straight line I'd say it's not like it's on rails.
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"Alongside the E46 it was BMW at its very best. Unfortunately poor reliability makes it difficult to hang onto them".

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Yes, many on this forum (including me) criticize Alfa for its lack of reliability and contend that this is sufficient reason not to buy one, even though it it is great to drive. We should at least hold BMW to the same standard!
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"Alongside the E46 it was BMW at its very best. Unfortunately poor reliability makes it difficult to hang onto them".

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Yes, many on this forum (including me) criticize Alfa for its lack of reliability and contend that this is sufficient reason not to buy one, even though it it is great to drive. We should at least hold BMW to the same standard!
My objection is with the use of the word "best". I don't know of an accurate interpretation of the word which entails poor reliability and something you admittedly could but would not buy because of unsatisfactory dependability🤔👀
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The G20 is not even close. The E90 felt like it rode on rails, you had to keep both hands on the wheel for it to even go straight. A true driver's car. It was a perennial C&D 10 Best and swept the floor in comparison tests. Alongside the E46 it was BMW at its very best. Unfortunately poor reliability makes it difficult to hang onto them.

G20 is better than the abysmal F30 but it's still too refined. A very competent car but like every other BMW not named M2, the "fun" is stripped out of the experience. It's a nice car but is already losing comparison tests for a reason. BMW no longer offers anything that differentiates it product from competitors.
Yeah, yeah...We know how much you hate the F series.
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This is incorrect. The E9x 3er had hydraulic steering all the way through its model run. Electric assisted power steering was not introduced until the F3x.
Not so in Europe. We had EPS in some of the E9x models, (certainly from ~2008). Hardly a peep about it from many users, they didn't even know, other than it was lighter in heft than the HPAS.
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Correct, I still own the last year of the e90 and with 176,000 miles on her I am still in love.
In the US, but not in Europe. As I've posted, some models did have EPS.
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G20 is better than the abysmal F30 but it's still too refined. A very competent car but like every other BMW not named M2, the "fun" is stripped out of the experience. It's a nice car but is already losing comparison tests for a reason. BMW no longer offers anything that differentiates it product from competitors.
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Not so in Europe. We had EPS in some of the E9x models, (certainly from ~2008). Hardly a peep about it from many users, they didn't even know, other than it was lighter in heft than the HPAS.
Wow!! This is the first time I have ever heard this. I’ve never seen a single thing about it. I didn’t even notice that the original poster referring to this was in the UK. Not to doubt you, but I did confirm the E9x EPS on RealOEM. I find this very interesting. I can’t believe no journalist ever commented on it. Maybe they did, but it certainly never made into the broad public discourse. Thanks for the correction.
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The G20 is not even close. The E90 felt like it rode on rails, you had to keep both hands on the wheel for it to even go straight. A true driver's car.t differentiates it product from competitors.
Wait whut? A train goes on rails and therefore needs no steering wheel.. Not sure what you're saying here. If it would be on rails no steering would be needed. If you would keep your hands on the weel to keep it in a straight line I'd say it's not like it's on rails.
I was thinking on similar lines when I read that in his post. It sounds to be more like his e90 was out of alignment.
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Wow!! This is the first time I have ever heard this. I’ve never seen a single thing about it. I didn’t even notice that the original poster referring to this was in the UK. Not to doubt you, but I did confirm the E9x EPS on RealOEM. I find this very interesting. I can’t believe no journalist ever commented on it. Maybe they did, but it certainly never made into the broad public discourse. Thanks for the correction.
We'd been getting E9x user reviews that the HPAS steering was far too heavy. I suggest BMW were prudently testing EPS in an established chassis, and the fact there was hardly any user 'noise', indicated it was being well received. I personally can't remember any test reviews commenting on it. Not sure it was even on their radar.

The fact we were running EPS in the E9x 3-series without hardly any comment, when suddenly there was the outrage that the F30 had EPS, and it was declared by many as deficient, "what were BMW doing?" was a surprise to guys like me. Sure it caught BMW on the back foot as well.

I know at the time, I was a bit bemused, it was as if "bash EPS" was the thing to do, even if EPS had been around in the 3-series for a few years in some markets, without making the motoring headlines.

I'm aware of users who had both HPAS and EPS in the E9x models and preferred EPS.
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E90 is a great generation, but overall g20 is a slightly better package. I would like it 20mm lower to the ground tho.
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Not so in Europe. We had EPS in some of the E9x models, (certainly from ~2008). Hardly a peep about it from many users, they didn't even know, other than it was lighter in heft than the HPAS.
Wow!! This is the first time I have ever heard this. I've never seen a single thing about it. I didn't even notice that the original poster referring to this was in the UK. Not to doubt you, but I did confirm the E9x EPS on RealOEM. I find this very interesting. I can't believe no journalist ever commented on it. Maybe they did, but it certainly never made into the broad public discourse. Thanks for the correction.
Same here. However for me it would explain why some of car magazines describe you can steer an E90 with one finger while my E90 requires some noticeable force to change direction. I like it but always wondered if something was wrong.
(mine is from 2005)
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