[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Interesting. I have a c230 beater that got 360,000 miles out of the original motor before I needed a replacement (...and I could have just replaced the bad lifters instead, but decided on a new motor). That's pretty damn reliable if you ask me.

I wonder if the powertrains in the current A-Class are built and designed with that kind of reliability in mind?

I feel the A-Class today is the closest thing to what the C230 Kompressor was back in the day.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

I wonder if the powertrains in the current A-Class are built and designed with that kind of reliability in mind?

I feel the A-Class today is the closest thing to what the C230 Kompressor was back in the day.

Probably not, although the 3.0L V6 their phasing out seems pretty bulletproof, but for 4-cylinders not too sure. A lot of experimentation is happening at MB/AMG from mild-hybrids, to electric superchargers and high output 4-cylinders. While cool and very interesting likely will require high maintenance down the line, which is why I lease mine as long term reliability of the new engines is a question mark at the moment. Most cars now a day seem to be designed for the 36-month lease more than anything. As for the A-Class as a whole, the quality of the car is terrible, mainly due to the specific plant that its built at (the Compas Nissan Daimler Plant in Mexico). That car especially similar to a 2GC or 320i is built as a lease machine for new customers with cost-cutting in mind.

Only companies that really seem to really design cars in mind that can run over 200k miles seems to be Toyota, but that's more because they are also using older that has been proven rather than experimenting and spending money building, or using new technology, only recently have they started to adopt to the idea of turbo engines in their cars.

[thez99]

I’m not saying rattles are ok. But honestly They do not keep you from getting from a to b in the car.

[uniqueMR]

Originally Posted by jstein55

I get your comment for Buick and Genesis but you do realize that Lexus is the #3 Luxury Automaker behind Mercedes and then BMW, they sell more than Audi.

Yea I had experience with Lexus and you are correct.

But I am surprised to see Lexus/Toyota over Merc, BMW, Audi. And they are not real competition with German brands.

Lexus is a good car but not even close to Audi, BMW or Mercedes-Benz level.

Lexus should only compete with Acura, Infiniti and Genesis. Lexus is Toyota, Acura is Honda and Infiniti is Nissan. Simple!


Yea we can argue Audi under Volkswagen, etc. But Volkswagen, Bugatti, Audi, so forth are independent brand with their own history, values.

[uniqueMR]

Originally Posted by Miko M

I do agree with Buick, total s....

Lexus IS different and Genesis came a long way with the new G80 and GV80

Yea they did. Lexus and Genesis.

But they are not in league with Audi, BMW and Mercedes. They want to be and "feel" like it. But they are not

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by uniqueMR

Yea they did. Lexus and Genesis.

But they are not in league with Audi, BMW and Mercedes. They want to be and "feel" like it. But they are not

I don't know if these days the Japanese brands gunning to "feel" exactly like the Germans. I think their standard line is more focused on comfort vs. performance handling, as designed. Now, 10 years ago, I would say you would be right in the ball.

Overall, I think the Japanese brands now our owning their differentiated factor.

*disclaimer - only referring to the standard lineup and not the N or RC lines.

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Probably not, although the 3.0L V6 their phasing out seems pretty bulletproof, but for 4-cylinders not too sure. A lot of experimentation is happening at MB/AMG from mild-hybrids, to electric superchargers and high output 4-cylinders. While cool and very interesting likely will require high maintenance down the line, which is why I lease mine as long term reliability of the new engines is a question mark at the moment. Most cars now a day seem to be designed for the 36-month lease more than anything. As for the A-Class as a whole, the quality of the car is terrible, mainly due to the specific plant that its built at (the Compas Nissan Daimler Plant in Mexico). That car especially similar to a 2GC or 320i is built as a lease machine for new customers with cost-cutting in mind.

Only companies that really seem to really design cars in mind that can run over 200k miles seems to be Toyota, but that's more because they are also using older that has been proven rather than experimenting and spending money building, or using new technology, only recently have they started to adopt to the idea of turbo engines in their cars.

Is your E an inline 6?

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

I don't know if these days the Japanese brands gunning to "feel" exactly like the Germans. I think their standard line is more focused on comfort vs. performance handling, as designed. Now, 10 years ago, I would say you would be right in the ball.

Overall, I think the Japanese brands now our owning their differentiated factor.

*disclaimer - only referring to the standard lineup and not the N or RC lines.

Well, Lexus is the only Asian luxury brand part of the "Tier 1" group, along with MB, BMW and Audi.

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

Well, Lexus is the only Asian luxury brand part of the "Tier 1" group, along with MB, BMW and Audi.

Ah yes, you're correct. I was thinking of Genesis, but obviously N is not part of Genesis 🤦*♂️.

I do believe Genesis has the potential to reach the top tier brands at much faster pace compared to how Lexus achieved during its climb to the top.

I was a cynic, but the new generation of the G80, G90 and GV series really impressed me.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

Is your E an inline 6?

Yes, my CLS has an I6, it uses the new M256 engine, essentially replacing the old 3.0L Biturbo V6.

The 450 models receive it in base form, Turbo 3.0L I6 + 48-Volt Mild Hybrid, and the 53 models get an Electric Supercharger that runs off the 48-Volt System. A lot of technology and the first time MB has used it in cars so I took the safe route of leasing so I stay in warranty since the long-term reliability of this engine is unknown.

Here's an instagram post from Jason Camissa, he explains best how the tech in the engine works. I'd love to see more companies adopt this type of technology as it works very well and adds a lot of character to the car.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

Ah yes, you're correct. I was thinking of Genesis, but obviously N is not part of Genesis 🤦*♂️.

I do believe Genesis has the potential to reach the top tier brands at much faster pace compared to how Lexus achieved during its climb to the top.

I was a cynic, but the new generation of the G80, G90 and GV series really impressed me.

Definitely impressive cars, Hyundai needs to focus on improving the image since many customers buy for the badge as well as establishing a premium dealership network, this really helped Lexus back in the day and could do the same for Genesis as no one wants to purchase a luxury car from a Hyundai dealer.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by thez99

I’m not saying rattles are ok. But honestly They do not keep you from getting from a to b in the car.

Correct. When you pay premium pricing, you expect a premium product. Why spend 65k on a Tesla that's going to rattle when I can spend 25k on a Corolla that can rattle? My current car, a 2018 B9 S5 doesn't have a single rattle in the two years and seven months that I have owned it. I'm impressed with how well put together the car is.

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by The Automotive Enthusiast

Correct. When you pay premium pricing, you expect a premium product. Why spend 65k on a Tesla that's going to rattle when I can spend 25k on a Corolla that can rattle? My current car, a 2018 B9 S5 doesn't have a single rattle in the two years and seven months that I have owned it. I'm impressed with how well put together the car is.

More than likely, that Corolla won't rattle..

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

More than likely, that Corolla won't rattle..

Just an example to make a point about the price difference between the two car categories.

[thez99]

Its interesting that you bring up the S5 as when buying my current 135, a 2013 S4 was my other option but that one bottomed out when financing thru that dealer fell through.

I'm still considering one, though I won't pull through unless it's close enough as I'm not going thru the bullshit of a way out of state deal again like I did with my current 1er. Ideally I'd love a 13-14' S4 as I feel like the interior, seats, etc. would fit better for me coming from a long line of GTI's, not to mention the supercharged 6 is fantastic in those models. I'm pretty happy with my 1er but it's something i'm keeping in mind

[MMMBRAP]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

My family's W203 and W204 C Class's were huge pieces garbage - rattles, electric issues, poor seals and gaskets. Those 2 experiences alone are why Mercedes would have to have a product that was leaps ahead of the competition for me or my family to even consider them again. Our BMWs at that time had their issues (relatively minor) but none to the degree to what I experienced with Mercedes.

That's really surprising. My W203 was rock solid. I'm not even kidding - I had it for 12 years since new and literally NOTHING outside normal wear and tear was off.

Then again, I'm METICULOUS about care and maintenance. Every time I brought it into the dealer, I always got "Holy shit that's a 12 year old Benz?" comments.

Still sad that she got totaled in an accident caused by an elderly couple who didn't yield.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by MMMBRAP

That's really surprising. My W203 was rock solid. I'm not even kidding - I had it for 12 years since new and literally NOTHING outside normal wear and tear was off.

Then again, I'm METICULOUS about care and maintenance. Every time I brought it into the dealer, I always got "Holy shit that's a 12 year old Benz?" comments.

Still sad that she got totaled in an accident caused by an elderly couple who didn't yield.

Fantastic looking W203

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by MMMBRAP

That's really surprising. My W203 was rock solid. I'm not even kidding - I had it for 12 years since new and literally NOTHING outside normal wear and tear was off.

Then again, I'm METICULOUS about care and maintenance. Every time I brought it into the dealer, I always got "Holy shit that's a 12 year old Benz?" comments.

Still sad that she got totaled in an accident caused by an elderly couple who didn't yield.

Your experience with your W203 is my experience with BMW despite all the fears of reliability during the 90's and early 2000's. Perhaps I got lucky but it's why I continue to drive BMW's including owning a R56 which has been pretty reliable despite others experiences.

BMW's has been and continues to be good to me, as long as they have something that I like whether it's a 2er, 3er, 5er, I will continue to drive BMW's.

[Unknown_Car]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

Did you just walk out of a time machine from 1995? They have had a lot of issues with the 1.5L turbo engine and oil dilution hence the warranty extension for over a million vehicles. Their paint is amongst the worst in the industry as are their infotainment systems. It's not just JD Power as Consumer Reports also mirrors the findings;

https://www.designnews.com/electroni...honda-declines

Ok man from the future. Keep believing what you believe. But I I will stick with reality, BMW is crap compare to Honda when it comes to reliability and most of the cars that are on the list over Honda as well.

[Unknown_Car]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

Honda isn't what it used to be..

I can say that about any car.

[MMMBRAP]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Fantastic looking W203

Thanks jstein! I miss her a lot actually.

She was the perfect daily driver!

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Your experience with your W203 is my experience with BMW despite all the fears of reliability during the 90's and early 2000's. Perhaps I got lucky but it's why I continue to drive BMW's including owning a R56 which has been pretty reliable despite others experiences.

BMW's has been and continues to be good to me, as long as they have something that I like whether it's a 2er, 3er, 5er, I will continue to drive BMW's.

You know, I discovered a lot of it is just dependant on care. A car (any car really) will reward its owner by being a reliable workhorse, so long as you put the effort into making sure that it's well-taken care of.

In the 12 years I had my Benz, I did 3000K oil changes, full synth, and only quality brands such as AMSOIL, Mobil 1, etc. kept her detailed once a week, only used OEM parts when needed, garage kept it as much as possible (or used a car cover when it wasn't).

I never allowed it to ever get to the point where it just started to "rot" and decay, by just neglecting it and just driving her into the ground.

Seemed to work pretty well, because it never gave me any problems whatsoever.

The ONLY reason I went to BMW and didn't stick with MB is because I started to really dislike their exterior/interior design. They moved away from traditional design to where they are now.

[kmarei]

Don’t all those numbers suck?
The best one out there has 89 problems per 100 cars ?
That’s isn't really great
Am I missing something ?