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People keep trying to act like our criticism for it's appearance is solely subjective and that we're just too conservative to accept change, but quite frankly this design is OBJECTIVELY bad. When you have professional automotive designers, to include former BMW cadre, disgusted by it's looks and overall design inconsistencies, it says something. It says that this isn't subjective, it's objectively bad design. In my personal opinion, buying this, the new M3/M4, or the iX is telling BMW you're okay with this current head designer destroying the brand's historic identity for "edgy" vehicles that lack any positive visual personality. I could LOVE how it drives, but I will not give BMW a sale metric that's in any way supportive of these... things. These are not the same as Bangle's controversial designs, they're modern day Pontiac Aztecs. Bangle's criticism was subjective, because objectively the designs had meaning, purpose, and consistency. Out of curiousity for the average consumer's opinion, I recently asked a friend who has no strong interest in cars (other than her occasionally finding certain cars "cute" or "pretty") what they thought of the design, and the immediate thing they said to me was "Ew, it looks like an Angry Bird pig." That's what BMW has created to the average person, Angry Bird pigs.. Just as Matt Farah from the Smoking Tire said in his review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3MD_900Nxg "It's a heinous looking car...Just how it looks would keep me out of it. This thing could be the best driving car in the world, but no thank you." |
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01-08-2021, 09:20 AM | #50 | |
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But don't be surprised or defensive when most people don't agree that your car looks good or it's worth the cost. I'd assume owners know their cars are objectively unattractive and are totally ok with it. Gotta have the stomach for being edgy and controversial. |
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When it was warmer I was able to get 3.9 with all season run flats, imagine if i was running summers/performance tires.
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01-08-2021, 09:42 AM | #52 |
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Even if the thread topic was about performance or wipers, all threads on this forum since the beginning of time containing an image of the G32 or G80/2 M3/M4 has gotten highjacked by "that grill" in all cases 25 + off topic comments/replies minimum!
Can't wait to see end of year sales figures for this car. Only at that point we will true know if all "that grill" was worthy of all this chatter. |
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Great video - well done.
M440i is here. I think the car's engineering accomplishments speak for themselves. The visual design - as with any other radical departure - will be validated more so by sales numbers and less so by rhetoric. |
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01-08-2021, 09:47 AM | #54 | |
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A car is usually labeled as a driver’s car when it provides the necessary feedback to the driver so you can tell what is going on, and faithfully translates the driver’s inputs into actual on the road behavior. When this two way flow is palpable, you have a driver’s car. The actual skid pad and acceleration numbers are irrelevant, and how well you can control the proceedings is key, especially on the limit. I have a nice E46 330ci in the garage, running on good all season tires. Definitely a driver’s car even though it cannot even begin to touch the performance envelope of my M3. Cannot comment on the M440i since I haven’t driven it.
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The new 4-series is a remarkable change in what it's trying to be. I think it's actually pretty good for what it's trying to be - a luxury GT.
People are upset because it's such an unexpected change in intent. If you were a buyer of previous gens, there's a good chance you're not longer a target customer (I fall into that bucket). While it's not a "drivers car", it does succeed at being a 6-series successor or Audi. |
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FEEL here is the key word. While the M550 with 530 hp with obviously be the faster car (even though not by much with both cars doing around 4 sec 0-62) the M550 is so big and isolated that you never really get the sense that you're going fast.
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Thank you! Glad that you enjoyed it. Absolutely agree - performance and engineering wise the car is next level compared to the previous model and that's coming from an F36 owner. While looks are subjective, I think the 4 series has always been the BOLD model BMW's lineup and they have the 3 series for those, for who the 4 is ''too much'' |
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If the new M4C Xdrive can't do less than 3.2 it would quite a disappointment.
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OP: Have you driven any of the competitors? I've driven an S5 and a C43 and thought that in a straight line, they were plenty fast, but pretty vague when it came to what was happening on the road. The m340 I drove at a BMW event was pretty good in the corners and had some punch moving forward.
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01-08-2021, 01:27 PM | #62 |
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The look has grown on me, which I hate. I like being knocked off my feet by a beautiful design the first time I see it. This car will sell, as all 3/4 series do and it appeals to a new generation that doesn't have a clue what an E36/E46 (or even an E90) feels like. Without having anything to compare it to, they'll just see it as a fast great car.
If you are after driving dynamics however and consider yourself a purist, you're shopping with the wrong (German) brand. The alternative isn't MB or Audi either. A little brand out of Stuttgart has figured out this philosophy and is sticking to it. Don't be afraid to buy a 1-2 year old car, they are simply sublime.
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Ignoring visual esthetics as the grill doesn't bother me, the next generation G26 Gran Coupe may no longer feature hatchback in the rear - which happens to be the most practical F36 feature. So X4MC is on top of the shopping list at the moment. |
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