Rumor: BMW M3 Touring Being Considered

Thr · 10-31-2018, 02:44 PM

My last one.

SamS · 10-31-2018, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rayers1997

it's like they dont know anything about the US market. do some fucking market research BMW. Ask your current M3 owners, ask x3m40i owners. "Would you buy your car in a wagon?" I guarantee you'll find an interest in the states. Every single person I have met that drives and M3 would LOVE an m3 wagon. NEWS FLASH: Car guys fucking adore wagons

Maybe I'm weird. I had an F80, and currently the X3 M40i. Don't need an M3 wagon, at all.

Thr · 10-31-2018, 02:59 PM

Just do it all.

Red Bread · 10-31-2018, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Trust me, I know you're not saying this to me directly, but I do not like SUV's at all. Thing I've noticed is that I don't haul or take practically anything in my car that would warrant a wagon. That's why I was honestly kind of flabbergasted and so many of you guys yearning for one. It's crazy.

Do you have an Ariel Atom or a motorcycle? If I didn't have a kid, a dog, various bicycles, a tent and assorted camping items, skis, etc, I'd have a Ducati and make fun of guys who wanted to do stuff. But I need to carry stuff and I don't want an SUV or a compromised sedan.

BMWUSA didn't want to sell me an F31 that had at least one of these three desires, a reasonable amount of power to offset the dumpy F3x weight, a manual or rwd. So I went with two out of those three and bought a GTI. I'd say that fwd with a limited slip has actually proven to be no worse than one wheel drive that BMW has been using on non M cars anyway.

Salespunk · 10-31-2018, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rayers1997

it's like they dont know anything about the US market. do some fucking market research BMW. Ask your current M3 owners, ask x3m40i owners. "Would you buy your car in a wagon?" I guarantee you'll find an interest in the states. Every single person I have met that drives and M3 would LOVE an m3 wagon. NEWS FLASH: Car guys fucking adore wagons

So everyone says on the BMW/MB/Audi sites. Then they bring something like the E63 or S4 Avant and they sell less than 1000 per year or with the E63 less than 100.

I am with you and love wagons/Tourings/Avants and even own a 328i Touring right now. Would love to buy an M3 Touring, but it would be an absolute sales flop here unless they can justify US crash testing costs etc for 1K sales per year.

MSCD · 10-31-2018, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Trust me, I know you're not saying this to me directly, but I do not like SUV's at all. Thing I've noticed is that I don't haul or take practically anything in my car that would warrant a wagon. That's why I was honestly kind of flabbergasted and so many of you guys yearning for one. It's crazy.

It's all about choices. I just had my 4 summer wheels/ tyres in my F31 on Monday. Could I have fitted them in a sedan, probably, but not as easily or gotten them out easily.

We also take a family vacation to the beach- I would need a roof cargo holder without the Touring.

Finally the F31 has the dual opening rear hatch. Really convenient feature not available on other wagon/ estates/ tourings !

And here we are on page 7 in a day about the car no one wants!

Every time I get into a conversation about my car I get 'I love wagons' I just people would buy them to make this stuff possible. Most SUV's don't have much more space inside over the wagon.... seems to be mostly 'exterior ' size!

BayE30 · 10-31-2018, 04:18 PM

uhhhh...e61m5?

328i · 10-31-2018, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SamS

Maybe I'm weird. I had an F80, and currently the X3 M40i. Don't need an M3 wagon, at all.

You are basically driving a lower power output, overweight M3 wagon. The X3 is a 3 series wagon with extra ground clearance. Someone may prefer a better handling version of your car, which would be a wagon. Maybe you don't need it, but that's why BMW makes many different models to suite people's needs.

MSCD · 10-31-2018, 04:21 PM

Can we call it a Shooting Brake? That'll sell?

RichM50d · 10-31-2018, 04:56 PM

I’ll believe it when I see it! The head of the M division has already said that an M wagon will never happen, as they’re focussing more on M SAV/ SUV’s instead.

Alpine_F82 · 10-31-2018, 05:03 PM

Bmw please make a U.S. version I will over pay

4 Doors · 10-31-2018, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Thr

Just do it all.

Which model is this? E61 535? There are no North American E61 M5 or 550??

PK1 · 10-31-2018, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rayers1997

it's like they dont know anything about the US market. do some fucking market research BMW.

Oh I can assure you they do their research, basis which they have built their offerings portfolio for the US market. Like it or not, Americans like SUVs, and that's what sells here. Yet there is a large enough segment of the market that likes sports sedans, which is what justifies offering the sedan.

The question you'd ask is: with the line up of SUVs that BMW has in their offering, what would they gain by offering the wagon here? Most of those who'd want a practical car would still opt for the SUV. Those who'd want a sports car would then have a choice b/w the wagon and the sedan, now you have product proliferation, inventory costs, etc. The business case could be made if BMW sold incrementally (and sufficiently) more products with this new offering to justify adding the product, without cannibalizing their existing products, potentially more profitable ones. You can be certain the reason why they don't offer it is because they have done their research, and they don't have a business case for it

Look at it another way: if they had a wagon M, those on this forum who express a desire to buy the wagon would get one (count me in). Since they don't offer it, we all bought the sedan.

Rayers1997 · 10-31-2018, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pheerIx

Would the forum break if BMW announced a M2 Gran Coupe with a hatchback?

F80 would be traded real quick

Eurosoul · 10-31-2018, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason

A rumor comes out of Autocar that BMW is considering producing the first ever M3 Touring - based on the upcoming new 3 Series Touring.

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BMW has never officially produced an M3 Touring, but insiders at the firm suggest that it's finally being considered as a rival to the Audi RS4 Avant and Mercedes-AMG C63 Estate. The development costs would be minimal, allowing BMW to justify launching a load-lugging M3 in European markets but not the US, where the estate isn't generally favoured by buyers. Full article at: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...irst-m3-estate

But not US or Canada bound? that's a shame...we love our sport wagons in the great white north

Brake_Late · 10-31-2018, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rayers1997

F80 would be traded real quick

SamS · 10-31-2018, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 328i

You are basically driving a lower power output, overweight M3 wagon. The X3 is a 3 series wagon with extra ground clearance. Someone may prefer a better handling version of your car, which would be a wagon. Maybe you don't need it, but that's why BMW makes many different models to suite people's needs.

One that is also easier to get in/out of, has better front/rear clearance for parking, better outward visibility and the traction benefits of xDrive.

MSCD · 10-31-2018, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SamS

One that is also easier to get in/out of, has better front/rear clearance for parking, better outward visibility and the traction benefits of xDrive.

The X3 is 3800lb versus 3er wagon at 3300lb so -500lb on the benefits your suggesting. M models will be different of course.

I'd rather a sports oriented car versus a sports oriented SUV. Each to their own.

Fritzer · 10-31-2018, 08:39 PM

If they bring it to the US I'll forgive the unimpressive styling of the G20.

ShawnPaul · 10-31-2018, 08:50 PM

Might be time for bmw to enter the fast wagon game. Benz makes the e63 wagon. Could be a good alternative to the suv.

antzcrashing · 10-31-2018, 08:55 PM

You wont build manual transmission 3 series (for usa) but you will make wagons?!

mkoesel · 10-31-2018, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 4 Doors

Which model is this? E61 535? There are no North American E61 M5 or 550??

He’s is Finland where both the E61 M5 and E61 550i were available to purchase. His pictures show the E61 M5.

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