[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by MSCD

The X3 is 3800lb versus 3er wagon at 3300lb so -500lb on the benefits your suggesting. M models will be different of course.

I'd rather a sports oriented car versus a sports oriented SUV. Each to their own.

X3 is 4150, but an F31 340i is 3,725. Likely that an M3 would be closer to 3,800, giving you only 350 pounds difference. Both are porkers.

[MSCD]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

X3 is 4150, but an F31 340i is 3,725. Likely that an M3 would be closer to 3,800, giving you only 350 pounds difference. Both are porkers.

Agreed, but one is a car, the other a truck. Center of gravity would be lower in the M3. Probably a pipe dream anyway!

[UNCbigM]

I see several here, including me, who would claim to drop their F80 like it's hot for a Touring M3.

Wagons don't sell in the US these days. I'd love to know how many here that claim they would buy one own a mid-sized (or compact) SUV rather than a wagon. I'm guessing several (and those with large SUVs with a good excuse don't count). If more of us would actually buy a wagon, a normal, non-silly fast wagon, instead of the X3, X5, or whatever flavor you prefer, maybe manufacturers would notice and a) bring more wagons stateside and, b) bring us something hot.

I don't hold out hope for an M3 or M5 wagon here, but I do for an RS6 Avant. Surely somebody wants to pee in Mercedes E63 wagon Cheerios.

[DreamTime]

Originally Posted by Rayers1997

Yo forum members would move there in a damn wave. Buy a whole building somewhere, whole apartment complex everyone's american and drives M3 wagons

Umm, where can I sign up for this? Lol. Seriously though, I would move to Europe for an M3 wagon... in a heartbeat.

[4 Doors]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

He’s is Finland where both the E61 M5 and E61 550i were available to purchase. His pictures show the E61 M5.

Ah, figures. Overseas always get the right spec'd vehicles offered!

[sq86]

Originally Posted by Salespunk

So everyone says on the BMW/MB/Audi sites. Then they bring something like the E63 or S4 Avant and they sell less than 1000 per year or with the E63 less than 100.

I am with you and love wagons/Tourings/Avants and even own a 328i Touring right now. Would love to buy an M3 Touring, but it would be an absolute sales flop here unless they can justify US crash testing costs etc for 1K sales per year.

Who's lining up to buy a $115k wagon though? It's an amazing car but there's a huge barrier to entry. Make something more affordable and people will go for it. I'd love to but I can't afford that at the moment. If I could, I'd put my money where my mouth is and drive it like a nut all day everyday.

Speaking of production numbers, how many Z4s do you think they build per year? About the same. Yet they're willing to keep all of the investment to build that entire model range.

Kudos to you for driving an E91. That is my biggest regret, not ordering an E91 with 6MT, RWD, M sport via ED while it was available.

[blockdoc]

Originally Posted by Rayers1997

it's like they dont know anything about the US market. do some fucking market research BMW. Ask your current M3 owners, ask x3m40i owners. "Would you buy your car in a wagon?" I guarantee you'll find an interest in the states. Every single person I have met that drives and M3 would LOVE an m3 wagon. NEWS FLASH: Car guys fucking adore wagons

Ummmmm. Really???!!?

[Brake_Late]

[superduty]

BMW has essentially killed the sales of their wagons in the states by offering minimal/low spec configurations. In addition dealers wouldn't carry any inventory so if you wanted one, you had to order it. I'm sure the percentage of buyers who order their cars is very low. Thus the conclusion that "wagons don't sell". Toms of SUVs on the lot that the dealer is willing to deal on, so they sell.

Before I ordered my E91 the sales guy tried to get me into an SUV. Besides the fact that SUVs are uninspiring I wanted something that drives like a car and had the space that I could carry my bicycle inside to races. Not to mention a manual transmission and rear wheel drive. The sales guy moved off the SUV push pretty quick.

The points made here about the low sales numbers not justifying federalized wagons doesn't fly. The certification costs are minimal because at least 95% of the parts of a wagon are common with other certified models. MB and Audi are making it work.

At a minimum BMW could do a 2 or 3 year model run to satisfy the market because there ARE customers out there willing to part with their money, including me.

Of course since the bean counters are running the show, it will never happen.

[Brake_Late]

It can be done
Perhaps it should just be a tuner built special order / import car or version as an offering ? Like Alpina or ACS

Evolve gets it

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=23730873

BMW. Give us what we want and deserve.

[mikeahso]

And yet in little old NZ, size of a small US state, edge of the world, we get offered everything. Every RS Audi. Every M. I could go and buy a GT3RS tomorrow (if I had the money!)

Shame about the socialism though. Can't have it all!

[shoei]

I don't have kids or dogs, but I would most certainly do a wagon... There's something appealing, unique and comical all rolled into one...

I have 2 friends with e63s wagons and another small group that had the cts-v wagon... Come to think of it, none of them had kids and maybe partial number of that group who had dogs...

At this point, it'd be along the vein of - "why the fuck not, BMW... You've got all the number segments covered from 1 series to 8, including M models, semi-M models, X versions, and Z models... Not to mention 3 engines, 2 drivetrains (technically 3) plus some electric shit... One measly wagon wouldn't be much of a stretch to add to add to the masses..."

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Rayers1997

it's like they dont know anything about the US market. do some fucking market research BMW. Ask your current M3 owners, ask x3m40i owners. "Would you buy your car in a wagon?" I guarantee you'll find an interest in the states. Every single person I have met that drives and M3 would LOVE an m3 wagon. NEWS FLASH: Car guys fucking adore wagons

Unfortunately, sad to say that Car Guys make up a very very small percentage of the market share and not all of even that small group prefer a wagon to the sedan or coupe.

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by mikeahso

And yet in little old NZ, size of a small US state, edge of the world, we get offered everything. Every RS Audi. Every M. I could go and buy a GT3RS tomorrow (if I had the money!)

Shame about the socialism though. Can't have it all!

Curiously we don't get the current E63 wagon at all though.

In regards to politics - can't someone just kill that stupid bitch?

[Dante]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Personally I hold out for an M5 Touring which some say is actually one of the reasons why M xDrive was developed.

No, not the same mistake all over again!!!
One would think that BMW should have learned from their E34 and E61 mistakes. Nobody cares about an M5 Touring! An M3 Touring would appeal to a much broader audience. Cheaper and more performance oriented.
I would buy an M3 Touring, but never an M5 Touring.

[dermeister]

Why do americans love wagons so much, I don't get it.

[FC05]

Being logical, M3 touring makes more sense than M3 sedan.
Why don't they just offer M3 touring and M4 coupe and GC , convertible?

Merc and Audi offers performance estates in almost all ranges, Audi don't even offer RS6 in sedan forms, that tells something? And I don't think it costs much for BMW to make M3 touring, I mean there won't be too much extra costs for R&D for the variants.

Lastly, people talk about aerodynamics, in fact wagons are better aerodynamically than sedans, only they weight a bit more.
Won't hardly notice difference when driving wagon compare to sedan.

[FC05]

I think the reason BMW don't make M wagons is that German big three have agreed to differentiate, Audi for its Avents, Merc for its sedans, BMW for its coupes.

The reason BMW don't offer wagons for US buyers, simply they only want you to buy SUVs.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by superduty

BMW has essentially killed the sales of their wagons in the states by offering minimal/low spec configurations.

This is the primary market planning issue with BMWNA. They choose the lowest configuration engine offered in the USA, make it in wagon form, make it hard to obtain, charge $3-4000 over the price of the sedan...and then reach the conclusion that "Americans don't want a BMW wagon." In the meantime all other markets are ordering 335i 6MT RWD wagons as part of their normal market, but all of that is prevented from even having a chance here.

Having helped to build both an E39 M5 wagon and an E46 M3 wagon (full conversions), driven both of them extensively, those would definitely have been marketable here in the USA if done properly.

If there was an F81 M3 wagon, it'd be in our garage right now (Imola red, 6MT, ZCP). Sadly, even it they did make such a thing in the next gen, we can guarantee that it would only be available with the automatic....

[ASAP]

I see 4 people buying this and then it getting discontinued a year later...

[sturgeongeneral]

Originally Posted by UNCbigM

Wagons don't sell in the US these days. I'd love to know how many here that claim they would buy one own a mid-sized (or compact) SUV rather than a wagon. I'm guessing several (and those with large SUVs with a good excuse don't count). If more of us would actually buy a wagon, a normal, non-silly fast wagon, instead of the X3, X5, or whatever flavor you prefer, maybe manufacturers would notice and a) bring more wagons stateside and, b) bring us something hot.

There's also a chicken-and-the-egg type problem at play: many don't own one because reasonably-priced options aren't really available, so people who'd want a wagon are in a way forced to buy an SUV. As you said if people would buy them maybe manufacturers would take notice, but they'd need to be offered first. I wonder if the take rate is actually the issue, or is it the take rate in response to poor offerings? Curious to see E91 sales figures and then compare them to the F31's, but a low take rate for the F31 wouldn't be a surprise.

[UNCbigM]

Originally Posted by sturgeongeneral

There's also a chicken-and-the-egg type problem at play: many don't own one because reasonably-priced options aren't really available, so people who'd want a wagon are in a way forced to buy an SUV. As you said if people would buy them maybe manufacturers would take notice, but they'd need to be offered first. I wonder if they're longer offered because the take rate was so lackluster. Curious to see E91 sales figures, and then compare them to the F31's, but it's not exactly a surprise which one is generally preferred.

That's why I'm asking in this thread. Most if not all here are F80 owners professing to want an M3 wagon. We can afford the Subaru, Volvo, BMW, Mercedes etc options that are out there. How many have chosen the similar sized/priced SUV anyway? We, the "wanters" of the wagon are the starting point. If we don't put our money where our mouth is, we are the reason more wagons don't come. WE need to buy them.