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Now computers, internet, and smart phones connect people to the outside world. Young people feel they don't need a car to interact with those that interest them. Way back when if you wanted to communicate with your friends or flirt with someone you had to drive to meet them. Now you can just snap chat your junk to them in the comfort of your bedroom. |
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12-02-2018, 04:52 AM | #112 |
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I see what you're trying to do, but your analogies make no sense. None of the technology in the items you mention were enjoyable and when their replacements came out, people had no problem moving onto the new tech without ever thinking about the old. This is not the case with manual transmissions where, to this day, many still prefer the enjoyment and "inconvenience" of rowing one's own gears despite the performance hit and greater effort involved.
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12-02-2018, 05:33 AM | #113 | |
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The reality is when I was looking for a manual M3, many dealers did not have any and they all tried to steer me to a DCT, insisting that I test drive a DCT as it would change my mind (it didn't). I'm sure there were a fair number of people who wanted manual but settled for a DCT. Also, there are other ways you can look at your data. You can say perhaps there are fewer manuals available because those are the first to get snatched up. When I sold my last car at carmax, the salesperson there said they always have a long list of people looking for M3s and M4s with manual transmissions so when those cars come in, they are quickly bought up because there are fewer available and they are in higher demand. |
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12-02-2018, 07:00 AM | #114 |
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It isn't subjectively or objectively more fun or engaging to use a VCR over a bluray player or online streaming. By your logic robots should be racing or riding horses not humans. I'm 25 and not married yet but I'll sure as hell teach my kids how to drive stick. Good thing that BMW, Porsche and Aston don't exclusively cater to bench racers and lazy couch potatoes. See how easy it is to make generalizations using false analogies?
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12-02-2018, 02:08 PM | #116 | |
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And not to forget electric steering came along way and keep improving, same with turbos. Back in days you needed to wait for boost, not anymore and that is also getting better and better. So yes WE WANT MANUAL and don't want to lose it, that's the best part of engagement and fun!!!!
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12-02-2018, 02:22 PM | #117 |
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I mean, the older cars aren't going away....
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Are you saying that perceived demand is actually lower? Because actual demand can't really be any lower...
If there is localised demand in the US, then they should absolutely build something special for them, at a cost. I don't want to be subsiding some rich men any more than I already must . |
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Sticks,wow It's been 20 years since I have driven one of that.
I think M3/M4 are now too big and too heavy also too luxurious so I don't really care if they come in with manual transmission.., However stick is a must with M2s'and Z4s'
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I know many dealers....they order automatics because they sell faster...not becuase they won't sell. At the same time, BMW is fine with it because they'd prefer to sell one version rather than two. While I think 75% of today's M-car buyers are buying for name/image and simply cannot drive a manual, to say that manuals don't sell due to lack of demand is a huge fallacy. BMW has lost touch with the "ultimate driving machine". Just look at how out of touch they are when they talk about a few 10ths of a second advantage, or call paddle shifters 'sporty'. When has there ever been someone who bought a manual solely to "go faster"? Sure, they were faster than some of the early autos, but those folks were buying manuals anyway. BMW is more focused on taking driving away from the driver than they are making it enjoyable (autonomous). Once upon a time you'd think that the LAST group of car enthusiasts that would go along with autonomous vehicles would be BMW drivers. But now, I get the feeling that most on this forum are fine with it as long as it has the BMW badge in it. As long as thats the case, then I guess BMW is no longer BMW. Then again...look at the cess pool Germany has become. Once a great country that is now, in some areas, barely discernable from some 3rd world countries. |
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Historically been sporty and should stay that way. This "pseudo" luxury is a farce. The 5, 6, 7 & 8 should maintain the luxury aspect of the brand. The lower calibers should maintain the feeling of sport, drive ability, & life. |
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12-02-2018, 10:05 PM | #126 |
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The Z4 only comes with a stick on the entry level.
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Hopefully the M4 will have a better exhaust note. That with MT, I may have to pick it up.
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The G70 does, however, lay claim to being the only (maybe last ever) RWD sedan on the market in the US with an available MT. |
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