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      12-04-2018, 02:39 PM   #155
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Manual : by definition



1a : of, relating to, or involving the hands
manual dexterity

1b : worked or done by hand and not by machine or electronics

2: requiring or using physical skill and energy

3: the prescribed movements in the handling of a weapon or other military item during a drill or ceremony

4: involving or using human effort, skill, power, energy, etc.; physical:

It's definitely not for everyone especially for daily's but there is a real following for 3 pedals and thus more manipulation of the car
And direct involvement with it.
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So sad that the tenth of a second you might finish quicker over rides the driving experience. Not good for the car enthusiast world in my opinion!!!
People always take about more driving fun with 3 pedals, less control in DCT, etc.

While Iíve never heard, nor hear, anyone asking back for unsynchronized transmissions. Surely that would mean more control, more fun...
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The DCT saved BMWs M line.

Three letters: SMG.
Let us never forget how absolutely awful the SMG tranny was and how it devalued the dynamic and fantastic e46 M3s. Drive one. Their terrible. And costly to own
( beyond the norm )...
Can you imagine I love my SMG1 M3. Probably not.

And SMG2 is a blast to drive in S6 mode. Personal opinion.
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At the risk of being sacreligious in this company - I have to say that the reason I use "manual" mode on my car - and by this I mean the paddles, is so that I can change gear when I want; and not when the car / computer wants.
The reason I used to like clutched, traditional manual transmissions is because autos were clunky and slow - as evidenced by their 0-60 times -- always a couple of tenths slower than the proper manual box.
But since the 335i (DCT) and now my 440i (not DCT but see below) the auto box in "manual" mode is faster, slicker and easier to use. I can left-foot brake all the time which gives me faster reactions on the brakes and the paddles are intuitive. Also, now, the 0-60 is faster on the auto box.
Around town when I'm not racing, and just sitting in traffic the auto box saves a load of clutch up-and-down and just makes life easier.
I honestly don't see why I'd want to go back to an H-gate stick shift. What would I gain??
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At the risk of being sacreligious in this company - I have to say that the reason I use "manual" mode on my car - and by this I mean the paddles, is so that I can change gear when I want; and not when the car / computer wants.

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I honestly don't see why I'd want to go back to an H-gate stick shift. What would I gain?
That’s great, but some still prefer a clutch pedal and H-gate. This thread is not about which transmission is better, it’s really just about the manual transmission coming to the new M4. Let’s do our best not to turn it into another transmission debate.
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Thatís great, but some still prefer a clutch pedal and H-gate. This thread is not about which transmission is better, itís really just about the manual transmission coming to the new M4. Letís do our best not to turn it into another transmission debate.
This has not been your typical manual vs. auto debate and this version has had some subtleties, including is the DCT a variation of auto or a variation of manual haha.
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Thatís great, but some still prefer a clutch pedal and H-gate. This thread is not about which transmission is better, itís really just about the manual transmission coming to the new M4. Letís do our best not to turn it into another transmission debate.
I just hope they don't limit it to the low spec car only. It would be a shame if the manual is only available on non-comp cars. I understand it not being available on a CSL or something but please make it available on the comp pack.

A slight return to the transmission debate - if it is DCT or 6MT, I'm happy with either. If it is ZF8 or 6MT, I'm picking 6MT everyday.
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I agree. If 6MT is not available on Competition model I may just keep the F80.
Would you be more likely to sway to a 2 pedal if a DCT was still offered?
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Would you be more likely to sway to a 2 pedal if a DCT was still offered?
The guy's "rank" is listed as 6MT purist....
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No. To me DCT and AT are the same
Having had numerous versions of both, I respectfully disagree.

The DCT can also be tactile and involving - itís just different than the experience of the MT. And I can understand why people love each...but the DCT and PDK are far from the dim witted ZF, for example. Just my opinion.
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I get what you're saying. I don't pretend to be race car driver. Literally all my driving is commuting to work and errands. The fact remains in a 6MT you use all 4 limbs to drive and it's fun and engaging. DCT and AT you can drive with just 2 limbs most of the time and when you feel like playing, you're just pulling wimpy little paddles.
Totally understand using all of my limbs to drive - Iíve had many more manuals than DCT/PDKs in my driving experience. Iím just saying that the utilization of all limbs doesnít dictate the ďexperienceĒ.

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I get what you're saying. I don't pretend to be race car driver. Literally all my driving is commuting to work and errands. The fact remains in a 6MT you use all 4 limbs to drive and it's fun and engaging. DCT and AT you can drive with just 2 limbs most of the time and when you feel like playing, you're just pulling wimpy little paddles.
Totally understand using all of my limbs to drive - I've had many more manuals than DCT/PDKs in my driving experience. I'm just saying that the utilization of all limbs doesn't dictate the "experience".

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I get what you're saying. I don't pretend to be race car driver. Literally all my driving is commuting to work and errands. The fact remains in a 6MT you use all 4 limbs to drive and it's fun and engaging. DCT and AT you can drive with just 2 limbs most of the time and when you feel like playing, you're just pulling wimpy little paddles.
Totally understand using all of my limbs to drive - I've had many more manuals than DCT/PDKs in my driving experience. I'm just saying that the utilization of all limbs doesn't dictate the "experience".

If you want to use all four limbs learn to left foot brake like F1 drivers.

Two feet.

Two pedals.
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