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Lol got me and autocorrect. "Commit"
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The M3/4 is such a performance oriented vehicle, engine notwithstanding, of course.. Why would they include such a "designated" drivetrain like an "S" series engine, to an X3-M? It's an M-variant, not an M car. To me, with the demographic and $$ required, it's never going to draw a true "M" car crowd, anyway. So why not "save" and put a tuned B58, into the X3-M, instead? That seems much more logical to the consumer (end buyer) as well as the production line. The only way I could see this "winning" to the end buyer's, is if the MSRP on the M3/4 drops 10% due to the shared engine/platform. Which would in turn, drive the price of the X3-M, upward. Has this been mentioned, anywhere for the US/CAN market yet? I'm all for shared platforms and unique "in-between" models, but I feel BMW is shooting themselves in the foot if this is the plan for the X3-M. Watch the future X4/5-M sales tank, without question. Unless BMW is doing this, intentionally to "weed-out" one of the above mentioned S-U models?
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12-18-2017, 04:31 PM | #202 | |
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what am I missing here that of all the cars I've owned timing chain location has never been .... say.... in the top 100 things I care about. |
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If you outright own your vehicles with intentions of long-term ownership, and would be subject to future out-of-pocket maintenance costs, this is in fact a very valid concern. Especially if there are alternatives.
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With your logic, they should use B58 and tune it to reach GLC 63 power levels. Well, that's what they did. The end result is S58. |
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Regardless of the motor inside.. Any BMW with an M on it that was designated as such by BMW AG is an M car. Natch. BMW is expanding beyond the X5M and X6M to add an X4M and X3M.... my understanding is the X3M and X4 M variants will receive the S58 BEFORE the next (G80) M3 and M4. The X5M, X6M, M5 and M6 shared the same motor in the past... so no reason to think that BMW wouldn't share the motor in the M3/M4/X3M/X4M Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 12-18-2017 at 05:45 PM.. |
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I may be just another annoying biased previous generation M3 owner (F80) but this is looking pretty lame so far... rear fenders look BORING. Can't believe I am "that" guy already
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Also, I may have mixed myself up with an article I read on the upcoming "X3-M40i", this is a different car, right?
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The current X5M is $100,700 and the X6M is $104,100. The X3 m40 is priced at $54.300 and slots below the upcoming X3M. The model below the X3M40 is the Xdrivre 30i at $42,540. Sounds like a hole in the lineup big enough for an X3M and an X4M doesn't it. ? I bet the X3M comes in at around $67.5K and the X4M around $71.5K. The current M3 and M4 are listed at $65k and $66k respectively. Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 12-18-2017 at 08:01 PM.. |
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My spec will be 6MT + (hopefully optional) MxDrive. It's just impossible using the low-end torque of these modern engines (unless on a track) without some form of AWD. I love that my E39 M5 and Z4M coupe are RWD; my F80, well, not so much, as fun as the car is.
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Sure does. I made the mistake of assuming this was a change from the previous read, I had, of the new X3-M40 (the M variant)to be equipped with the B58. The X3M, if equipped as mentioned, would be an M car, no doubt
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Regulations are usually there to keep the cost under control, as most indy teams would have no chance to compete against factory teams in that sense. Furthermore, rallies are based on deep tread tyres with less than optimal road surface conditions and slippery off roads where AWD benefits generally outweigh lighter drivetrain of RWD or FWD. For endurance races where all of them are held on circuits with smooth surface, however, 50kg weight addition to the drivetrain will cost on back straights and hugely hurt cornering capabilities. Remember these vehicles gave an arm and a leg to get the weight down to 1200kg (e.g. Bentley continental GT.); for them it is better thus to focus on aerodynamics and mechanical grip using widest tyres and track width of suspension within the regulations. Not to mention significantly more fuel used in the long run. Professionals manage traction by their driving skills, not by car's traction control and gimmicks. Now if you want to put priority on practicality AWD was and is always the answer since audi quattro proved that in German winters. I believe M3's target back in the 90s and early 00s was making Ferrari and porsche equivalents, but the brand has since diluted to follow Mercedes examples.
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