[MT4life]

Originally Posted by cupojava

Excuse me but my last 4 BMWs in the last 10 years: E90 328i (euro delivery), E92 335is, F30 335i, F30 340i. I don't know what qualifies someone to be an "enthusiast" besides being a snob to other people for not meeting your arbitrary metrics You don't hold the monopoly on who qualifies to be a BMW fan, which I certainly am.

Why does the fact that I lease matters? I don't like driving outdated cars. I don't want to worry about the car breaking and wasting my time with repairs. To BMW, a sale is a sale, whether purchasing outright, financing, leasing, etc. And no, I don't mod my cars.

BMW certainly cares more about my opinion, a reliable repeat customer, than someone who drives an Infiniti and complains online here about a manual transmission not being offered.

1. I'm happy I got you posting more often

2. If you knew how BMWFS lease really worked you would know that you're hurting BMW more than an average consumer (4 rents/leases in 10 years). BMW wishes you'd just go away and switch to another brand. They are forced to inflate residuals to lure your ass in and away from some other boring appliance that you would pick solely based on the lowest monthly payment for the highest sticker, and are then stuck trying to offload your used overpriced crap. BMWFS buys them back at those inflated residuals just so you know.

3. Yes I sold my last BMW F30 335i when it ran out of warranty with miles and got a cheap reliable q50 with 3.7L and 320+ HP hoping it would tie me over for a little over a year until the new G20 shows up with 6MT. Then I find out it won't be available with MT. As a previous owner of 4 BMW's I have a right to voice my disappointment.

4. This is my way of coping with the blow below the belt that BMW served us 6MT fans. Deal with it

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by Mako

Guessing that 0-60 time is xdrive. So probably 4.4 rwd. Still not bad.

I bet in all but good conditions it keeps up with F80 0-60, especially less than optimal conditions.

Sad the X3 and X4 don't have all these interior changes. Makes them look dated now and they are brand new. Makes me think twice about X3M I was considering.

Don't give up yet on the upcoming X3M, as I was very fortunate to have spent 3 days this week with the lead BMW M engineer who developed the upcoming X3M/X4M. There is an other press date scheduled in 2 weeks for the X3M/X4M, and confirmed of an all new engine (also destined for the G80) and MxDrive is carrying over from the M5 to X3M/X4M.

Same MxDrive will also be in the new G80 in 24 months.

[Mr. Tasty]

Originally Posted by harperium

Just for reference: My friend drives a Honda CRV. Every time he gets in my 340, he's always really impressed by the feeling of luxury. He comments about it regularly.

I agree the 3 interior could be improved - they aren't the 5 Series or M by a long shot. But if you want to see plastic crap, get in a Honda...

is the Honda CRV considered a luxury car?

How are you even comparing an economy crossover to a luxury performance sedan?

[Spydert]

Originally Posted by MT4life

1. I'm happy I got you posting more often

2. If you knew how BMWFS lease really worked you would know that you're hurting BMW more than an average consumer (4 rents/leases in 10 years). BMW wishes you'd just go away and switch to another brand. They are forced to inflate residuals to lure your ass in and away from some other boring appliance that you would pick solely based on the lowest monthly payment for the highest sticker, and are then stuck trying to offload your used overpriced crap. BMWFS buys them back at those inflated residuals just so you know.

3. Yes I sold my last BMW F30 335i when it ran out of warranty with miles and got a cheap reliable q50 with 3.7L and 320+ HP hoping it would tie me over for a little over a year until the new G20 shows up with 6MT. Then I find out it won't be available with MT. As a previous owner of 4 BMW's I have a right to voice my disappointment.

4. This is my way of coping with the blow below the belt that BMW served us 6MT fans. Deal with it

I think (or maybe I'm just hoping), they bring at least the 320i with 6MT Europe is getting to the States. Maybe in the 2nd year.
But yeah, no manual will def keep me from picking up one of these.

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by MT4life

2. If you knew how BMWFS lease really worked you would know that you're hurting BMW more than an average consumer (4 rents/leases in 10 years). BMW wishes you'd just go away and switch to another brand. They are forced to inflate residuals to lure your ass in and away from some other boring appliance that you would pick solely based on the lowest monthly payment for the highest sticker, and are then stuck trying to offload your used overpriced crap. BMWFS buys them back at those inflated residuals just so you know.

And if you had been shopping for a BMW recently you'd know that BMW residuals are no longer inflated like before.

They're not losing money on me, they're making a killing selling CPO'd lease return cars. BMW isn't a charity.

My first BMW was purchased. After 5 repairs for the same issue over and over again, I only leased from that point onwards.

And as a previous poster said, it's smarter to use that money elsewhere. I now reinvest in business and can write off a portion of the lease payment for tax purposes.

[DG20]

I might be in the minority here, but I think the M340i looks great. Hopefully we get to see it in some other colors and some real world pics. The only thing that is slightly bothersome for me is that little kink/dent design element on the bottom of the headlight.

[Rschin2]

Originally Posted by MT4life

2. If you knew how BMWFS lease really worked you would know that you're hurting BMW more than an average consumer (4 rents/leases in 10 years). BMW wishes you'd just go away and switch to another brand. They are forced to inflate residuals to lure your ass in and away from some other boring appliance that you would pick solely based on the lowest monthly payment for the highest sticker, and are then stuck trying to offload your used overpriced crap. BMWFS buys them back at those inflated residuals just so you know.

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And this is a bad thing becauseeee?????

[danniexi]

I wasn't sure about the design language with the G20 M-sport or the regular Sport line, but this M340i does look a lot better than rest.

I just wish the front end didn't have so many lines/creases on it. Keeping it cleaner would look a lot better imo, even if the changes are subtle.

Example (my quick and horrible edit):

[ecaedus]

i'd be more interested in the 5-60, 30-50 and 50-70 times as these are more useful in daily driving situations. not every stop sign gives you the opportunity to put the car in launch control. C43 does it in 4.1 0-60, but the 5-60 is a lot slower at 5.1, massive lag. this car is definitely sub 4 0-60 in real world testing and i hope the 5-60 is quick too. it'll be even more interesting if mercedes decide to put the 48V mild hybrid tech in the C43 like the E53 to give it that instant torque at whatever speed.

[Rschin2]

Originally Posted by danniexi

I wasn't sure about the design language with the G20 M-sport or the regular Sport line, but this M340i does look a lot better than rest.

I just wish the front end didn't have so many lines/creases on it. Keeping it cleaner would look a lot better imo, even if the changes are subtle.

I think the renderings tend to highlight the creases and lines much more so than in person. I think they will be a bit more subtle especially on a black car. I do think that the side air intake things on the bumper are too complicated, especially how the M340 has that additional gray vertical element at the very end of it. But I'll probably end up blacking that out if I get one of these

Overall, though, this car is growing on me very quickly and I can't stand the sky screamers rejecting it outright.

[Mako]

Originally Posted by ///M-er-gized

You're absolutely right.

I had the leasing debate with my wife years ago when we bought her a new car. She wanted to pay cash. I wanted to lease. For some reason, I agreed. I sold $30,000 worth of stock, and we paid cash for it.

Today, that stock would be worth $120,000. MOST EXPENSIVE SUBARU OUTBACK EVER!

I totally agree with you. I will never buy or pay cash for a car again.

What about people who did the same back in 2009, that $30,000 car basically cost them $10,000

I took out a loan on my M3 because I got 1.65% at the time, that's like free money. But when loans are now 3%+ I am more prone to pay cash for a car assuming its laying around making a similar percentage or less. Not many people go 100% into the stock market for a reason. don't forget for most people buying these cars you will need to make 5% in the market to offset a 3% loan (paying taxes on those gains) show me where I can make a guaranteed 5% right now.

Not saying I am against leasing, in fact I am for them because of the simple reason of easy turn in as long as you repair it to BMW standards, so major accidents or other issues don't become an issue when trading in, they have to take it back, if you own the car that could hit you pretty hard.

[DeltaFX1942]

Originally Posted by MT4life

1. I'm happy I got you posting more often

3. Yes I sold my last BMW F30 335i when it ran out of warranty with miles and got a cheap reliable q50 with 3.7L and 320+ HP hoping it would tie me over for a little over a year until the new G20 shows up with 6MT. Then I find out it won't be available with MT. As a previous owner of 4 BMW's I have a right to voice my disappointment.

4. This is my way of coping with the blow below the belt that BMW served us 6MT fans. Deal with it

Fortunately or unfortunately, the MT is a dying thing and will probably be gone within the next cycle of vehicles. Driving enjoyment can be had without a manual! Maybe the F80 manual transmission models will retain value longer as the last breed of manuals.

[DeltaFX1942]

Originally Posted by Mako

show me where I can make a guaranteed 5% right now.

Some community credit unions are offering 5-year CDs at over 4% right now. Just a matter of time (maybe within 2019) to see 5% CDs at the rate the Feds are increasing interest rates!

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by MT4life

1. I'm happy I got you posting more often

2. If you knew how BMWFS lease really worked you would know that you're hurting BMW more than an average consumer (4 rents/leases in 10 years). BMW wishes you'd just go away and switch to another brand. They are forced to inflate residuals to lure your ass in and away from some other boring appliance that you would pick solely based on the lowest monthly payment for the highest sticker, and are then stuck trying to offload your used overpriced crap. BMWFS buys them back at those inflated residuals just so you know.

3. Yes I sold my last BMW F30 335i when it ran out of warranty with miles and got a cheap reliable q50 with 3.7L and 320+ HP hoping it would tie me over for a little over a year until the new G20 shows up with 6MT. Then I find out it won't be available with MT. As a previous owner of 4 BMW's I have a right to voice my disappointment.

4. This is my way of coping with the blow below the belt that BMW served us 6MT fans. Deal with it

Then why did bmw beg me to get into my 4th lease in 9 years, and take over 10% off my fully loaded 340??

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by Mako

What about people who did the same back in 2009, that $30,000 car basically cost them $10,000

I took out a loan on my M3 because I got 1.65% at the time, that's like free money. But when loans are now 3%+ I am more prone to pay cash for a car assuming its laying around making a similar percentage or less. Not many people go 100% into the stock market for a reason. don't forget for most people buying these cars you will need to make 5% in the market to offset a 3% loan (paying taxes on those gains) show me where I can make a guaranteed 5% right now.

Not saying I am against leasing, in fact I am for them because of the simple reason of easy turn in as long as you repair it to BMW standards, so major accidents or other issues don't become an issue when trading in, they have to take it back, if you own the car that could hit you pretty hard.

I had a lease that was totaled after 2 weeks of purchase. I walked away and the car was scrapped, gap insurance took car of the rest. I never put money down on a lease so it was nothing out of pocket. Got my multiple security deposits back.

Even if it wasn't totaled there would be no worries about diminished value, etc. as long as it was repaired at a certified facility.

show me where I can make a guaranteed 5% right now.

That's my own secret haha

[///M TOWN]

Always bet on Black.

It looks fantastic in Black.

[vincechase]

When can I expect the 340 xdrive in dealerships? Some people say march some people say I have go wait till summer? If I have to wait till summer I'm going to just get a 2018 2 or 4 series coupe. Of actually March I can wait

[OriginalFake]

Originally Posted by vincechase

When can I expect the 340 xdrive in dealerships? Some people say march some people say I have go wait till summer? If I have to wait till summer I'm going to just get a 2018 2 or 4 series coupe. Of actually March I can wait

This is what I'm trying to figure out. The info says 330i on sale March 2019 and then the M340i says on sale Spring 2019 but I don't think we know exact dates yet.

[Northern Racer]

It looks a little bloated I have to say.

[Vinboyblue]

Any word on a power kit?

[cwulffy]

BMW have lost their minds.

[Raikkonen]

I'd hate to be a clear bra installer on one of these... it would take 3 years just to do the front bumper!