[FrostNixon]

Yeah, it's a terrible feature, it always tries to steer me into potholes and cyclist, but when I actually need it to steer me into lane on the highway it does nothing.

[mofomat]

Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted

I frequently travel along a road near my house which has a 60 limit. It is common that I drift out to overtake cyclists and parked cars. If there is no other traffic on the road I don't think about indicating. It is infuriating that the car attempts to crash into these things that I was taking action to avoid. It wouldn't be so bad if I could configure the speed at which the LDWS activates. 40mph is too slow. I'm in the UK so this feature can't be permanently disabled. Don't suppose this can be coded?

There was one time that I tried squeezing into the side of the road in order to avoid a truck coming in the opposite direction. Unfortunately there was a white line in the gutter. So the car tried pushing me back out into the path of the oncoming truck. It's enough to make a cat laugh.

I've just updated the software on my 330e Touring, and one of the updates is the ability to permanently turn off the steering intervention. Sure enough, I've now turned it off and it doesn't say "this will be reactivated when you start the car again".

Thank god. It was ruining my experience.

[zazzau]

Originally Posted by mofomat

I've just updated the software on my 330e Touring, and one of the updates is the ability to permanently turn off the steering intervention. Sure enough, I've now turned it off and it doesn't say "this will be reactivated when you start the car again".

Thank god. It was ruining my experience.

Haha. I don't think LKA is as bad. I didn't think I'd like it but with the right setting it's not so terrible. I was a little less focused yesterday due to fatigue and this feature worked flawlessly. I hated it on my first test drive when I attempted to steer away from a bike only to be steered right back. Lol. It wasn't funny then and I swore I'd disable it the moment I got my car. It was on medium when I took stock of my car but I now have it set to "Early."

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by zazzau

Haha. I don't think LKA is as bad. I didn't think I'd like it but with the right setting it's not so terrible. I was a little less focused yesterday due to fatigue and this feature worked flawlessly. I hated it on my first test drive when I attempted to steer away from a bike only to be steered right back. Lol. It wasn't funny then and I swore I'd disable it the moment I got my car. It was on medium when I took stock of my car but I now have it set to "Early."

Yes same here, it has been left on medium and works just fine as a reminder from time to time.

[mofomat]

Originally Posted by zazzau

I attempted to steer away from a bike only to be steered right back. Lol. It wasn't funny then and I swore I'd disable it the moment I got my car.

That's exactly why it's downright dangerous. Numerous near-misses where it's yanked the steering wheel has left me infuriated. Thankfully that's no longer an issue with the latest software update allowing you to permanently disable the steering intervention.

[Talisman77]

Originally Posted by mofomat

That's exactly why it's downright dangerous. Numerous near-misses where it's yanked the steering wheel has left me infuriated. Thankfully that's no longer an issue with the latest software update allowing you to permanently disable the steering intervention.

A quick tap on the indicator eliminates most of those frustrations imo, I suppose that's one way for BMW to try shake their drivers' reputations though

[mofomat]

Originally Posted by Talisman77

A quick tap on the indicator eliminates most of those frustrations imo, I suppose that's one way for BMW to try shake their drivers' reputations though

I use my indicators without fail when they're needed. It's my pet hate about some other drivers who don't. However, there are situations where an indicator is not needed, either due to the road layout or there isn't anybody around at all, and yet you had to use your indictors just to not trigger the steering wheel being yanked out of your hand. It was a design flaw. BMW obviously agree, which is why they've changed it so you have the ability to permnanently disable it.

My work premises is on an industrial estate, which at certain times of the day is deserted, and yet I'm having to indicate to absolutely nobody when traversing a certain part of the road. On this same road there is a well-sighted bend which you can cut the corner of perfectly safely, yet if you try the car doesn't like it and tries to yank you back onto your side of the road. It's awful.

Thankfully no longer an issue now.

[Talisman77]

Originally Posted by mofomat

I use my indicators without fail when they're needed. It's my pet hate about some other drivers who don't. However, there are situations where an indicator is not needed, either due to the road layout or there isn't anybody around at all, and yet you had to use your indictors just to not trigger the steering wheel being yanked out of your hand. It was a design flaw. BMW obviously agree, which is why they've changed it so you have the ability to permanently disable it.

My work premises is on an industrial estate, which at certain times of the day is deserted, and yet I'm having to indicate to absolutely nobody when traversing a certain part of the road. On this same road there is a well-sighted bend which you can cut the corner of perfectly safely, yet if you try the car doesn't like it and tries to yank you back onto your side of the road. It's awful.

Thankfully no longer an issue now.

All I can go off are my own experiences & haven't had an issue with it so far even on the most sensitive setting, if you get into the habit of using the indicators regardless then it becomes a non-issue anyway - after all, you can think you're the only one around when not. At least if some idiot has the temerity to jump out at my car there's the plausible deniability of "you could plainly see I was turning/overtaking/etc" to fall back on.

Of course, I don't know your circumstances but I'd personally save the spirited driving 'til I'm off the industrial estate. That said, I definitely agree with BMW to add the flexibility to allow drivers to turn it off, more options and customization is no bad thing imo.

[francton]

I hate it too. it's way too aggressive. I tried to overtake a cyclist, did not indicate, and the lane keep steering kicked in very strongly and almost gave me a heart attack. I turned it off. it now only vibrates the steering wheel bit does not intervene

[NthKent]

Really annoying in all the car’s I’ve had it in so it always gets switched off along with all the other nanny state “safety” stuff!

[francton]

Originally Posted by Talisman77

A quick tap on the indicator eliminates most of those frustrations imo, I suppose that's one way for BMW to try shake their drivers' reputations though

sometimes when I want to overtake I cyclist, I don't indicate. scares the hell out of me when it tries to bring me back into lane with the cyclist

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by francton

sometimes when I want to overtake I cyclist, I don't indicate. scares the hell out of me when it tries to bring me back into lane with the cyclist

Thankfully I have never had that issue occur. I expect it may try and correct so I just keep gentle pressure on the wheel so it doesn't occur.

Make sure you have your setting on Early and I'm sure you will eventually get used to it trying to correct so it doesn't scare you.

[Calamari]

Originally Posted by francton

sometimes when I want to overtake I cyclist, I don't indicate. scares the hell out of me when it tries to bring me back into lane with the cyclist

Exactly the issues I had. It intervenes unexpectedly and in situations where it can cause fatal outcomes. I don't need line keeping. I'm not texting, eating, looking at the clouds while driving. And no one should do that, with or without lane keep assistant.

[jav335i_]

From my experience it is very abrupt so I just turned it off so now it only vibrates if I go over the line. I actually work for Mercedes and their lane keeping assistant is horrible, it actually feels like it brakes the inside rear wheel on whichever side the lane your going over and it gives you a mini heart attack and with their cars once you turn it off it's off, it won't let you have the option to have the steering wheel vibrate.

[stevej2001]

Am I the only person who likes this feature?

I have sleep apnea and while CPAP has been a game changer for me sometimes I still get sleepy when driving. I pull off and sleep for 5-15 min and all is well.

The day after I took delivery of my '19 330i I was driving on a road near my house when I felt the need to sleep. The problem was the road had no shoulders and was surrounded by trees. I figured I was about 5 min from home, so I'd try to stay awake.

Obviously, I failed. The car drifted to the right and the wheel shake woke me up. Before I could correct, the car steered back into the center of the lane. At that point I was FULLY awake and the rest of my drive was uneventful.

So, do all the things listed in this thread sometimes bother me? Yes. DO I leave the system turned on always? Absolutely.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by stevej2001

So, do all the things listed in this thread sometimes bother me? Yes. DO I leave the system turned on always? Absolutely.

Same here.

In addition my car has no blind spot(with steering intervention) + rear cross traffic alert as I figure that can be intrusive, but my experience with standard LDW now tells me $500 extra for BSD + RCTA can be quite useful too.

[Talisman77]

Originally Posted by francton

sometimes when I want to overtake I cyclist, I don't indicate. scares the hell out of me when it tries to bring me back into lane with the cyclist

Honestly like others have said that just sounds like bad habits feeding in, indicate appropriately and it won't engage lane keeping.

[Talisman77]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

Same here.

In addition my car has no blind spot(with steering intervention) + rear cross traffic alert as I figure that can be intrusive, but my experience with standard LDW now tells me $500 extra for BSD + RCTA can be quite useful too.

For me it's the front collision warning, I have it set to most sensitive which means rarely it'll panic if I take a bend that has cars parked on it as it thinks I'm going to keep going straight, but I'd rather 1000 mini scares than 1 hit.

[francton]

Originally Posted by Talisman77

For me it's the front collision warning, I have it set to most sensitive which means rarely it'll panic if I take a bend that has cars parked on it as it thinks I'm going to keep going straight, but I'd rather 1000 mini scares than 1 hit.

I've not had issues with the emergency braking and I would never turn that off. my previous car was an X3 (current generation). that car hit the emergency brakes momentarily while delivering at 80ks atleast a couple times. did not stop the car but would hit the brakes and immediately let go. and while reverse parking, it used to hit the brakes many times even though there world not be any obstacle nearby (including in an empty car park). I guess that car had some issues.

[mofomat]

Originally Posted by Talisman77

All I can go off are my own experiences & haven't had an issue with it so far even on the most sensitive setting, if you get into the habit of using the indicators regardless then it becomes a non-issue anyway - after all, you can think you're the only one around when not. At least if some idiot has the temerity to jump out at my car there's the plausible deniability of "you could plainly see I was turning/overtaking/etc" to fall back on.

Of course, I don't know your circumstances but I'd personally save the spirited driving 'til I'm off the industrial estate. That said, I definitely agree with BMW to add the flexibility to allow drivers to turn it off, more options and customization is no bad thing imo.

Who said anything about spirited driving? And "get into the habit of indicating"? Trust me, every time I indicate or don't indicate, it's not out of habit. Indicating (and not indicating) is a conscious decision and I do it without fail when it's necessary.

Without knowing the roads I'm talking about, you can't comment. When I say nobody is around, it's because I know nobody is around. You can see in this link here one bend which is a pain in the arse. It's a fast bend with good sighting, and if you stray slightly towards the central white line, the steering yanks you back right, just as you're turning the steering left. It's downright dangerous. This is on my route to work.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.91...7i16384!8i8192

A bit further down the same road, the road slowly splits into two lanes, both of which go straight ahead at the next lights. I work shifts and sometimes it's utterly deserted and I KNOW nobody is around to see me indicate (and I would argue indicating is largely pointless anyway here) but if you try to keep right and take the right hand lane, the steering doesn't let you. It's a joke. I'm indicating to avoid the steering deciding it knows better. Technology shouldn't do that.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.92...7i16384!8i8192

And if you think technology is flawless, you only have to look at the speed limit assist. I'd say 10% of the time it's showing an incorrect speed limit.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by mofomat

And if you think technology is flawless, you only have to look at the speed limit assist. I'd say 10% of the time it's showing an incorrect speed limit.

On the 2 road conditions described, 1st one means the car is not centered, and 2nd one reinforces turn signal regardless anyone is around or not.

In both cases the steering interventions look legit.

[mofomat]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

On the 2 road conditions described, 1st one means the car is not centered, and 2nd one reinforces turn signal regardless anyone is around or not.

In both cases the steering interventions look legit.

So even when there's nobody present to observe it, you think it's worthwhile using your indicators? Who am I supposed to be indicating to at 2am on a deserted industrial estate? When I'm using the indicators as a method to override the steering intervention, then there's something wrong with the technology. Thankfully BMW agree, which is why they've changed the ability to permanently override the steering intervention.