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I agree akin to re-inventing the wheel. But we have seen the same silliness in coupe shaped SUVs like the X6.
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People crack me up when they claim a 5-5.4 sec car is "slow". I mean really?
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Back in 1988, the year you would probably be born, a BMW M5 was a 6 sec 0-60 car. That was considered to be a F-16 in those days. 8-10 seconds to 60 was considered "fast" and most German cars of the day fell in that bucket.
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I much rather live debt free and retire earlier and "younger" lol. My "Base" 5er is plenty fast for me. Is smooth vault quiet and glides down the road like a luxury car should. Eats the miles effortlessly while returning excellent mileage while in complete comfort. I am pretty happy. How about you?
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Enthusiast forums generally make up a very small percentage of the population. They do research to make sure the market will accept the model before it is released.
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But yes, after you get enough performance people want other things like fuel economy, comfort, newer tech, cheaper maintenance etc. I also eat side dishes when I'm at a bbq restaurant after I've had enough meat. |
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People love to spend money that is not theirs and buy things they can't afford. But hey there is always low wage employment for 70-80 year olds at your nearest Walmart! You only live once, right?
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The newest sport sedan's are pretty quick. Not too long ago, it took like second 6.5 seconds for these cars to get to 60. The M340 has almost 400hp and gets to 60 close to what the e92 M3 use to do it in.
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Anyone below the age of 35 would experience a rude awakening behind the wheel of an E30 or similar "iconic" BMW.
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You would have to either track your 382HP M340i to truly appreciate its power or drive though the middle of Nevada in the loneliest road in the continental United States..
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Some perspective...
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Just nod your head and smile. I don't try to understand how his scoring system works. I personally think he just throws out random numbers for each category.
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Welcome to Capitalism. That's why the United States has been *successful* for so long. I wish they'd teach us to think outside the box and start our own business and how to manage money (investing and the like) and what a Roth IRA is when we're in school instead of telling us to learn a subject, get degree and climb the corporate ladder to MAYBE, JUST MAYBE make enough to live a life where I owe a mortgage, a car note, and CC bills.
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Companies like Apple and (formerly) BMW seized market share and became segment leaders precisely because they supplied forward-thinking and innovative products that the mass market hadn't yet imagined. Consider Mac, iPod, iPhone. Consider the early M3s / M5s. Compared with their peers of the day, these products were revolutionary, re-defining the products in the segment, that anyone including non-enthusiasts, could plainly see. Without being rude, your strategy is a prime reason for BMW becoming irrelevant for many enthusiasts. If I want a mass-market car, I would (in the past) buy a Chevy or Toyota. Today, if I were shopping for an appliance car, I would look first at the Japanese and Korean brands, followed by the Germans (except Porsche). Excitement? The most exciting cars on the planet today are built in Detroit. Two of the most exciting cars in the world are Chevys. Cadillac builds better BMWs than the current gang in Munich. Heck, Kia / Genesis builds better BMWs than Munich (thank you Albert Biermann!). The sole drivers car in BMW's product portfolio, the 2-series, is available with a 6MT, despite BMWs best efforts to kill the stick. Why? Because many enthusiasts want to drive stick! Does Singer make 911s with slush boxes? No. Enthusiasts are also market shapers / influencers, hence performance imagery helps sell cars, even for ordinary drivers. BMW earned their reputation building great performance sedans, grew the business successfully, and now appears to be paralyzed by the same success, building boring appliance cars for the masses while also trying to cling to a performance reputation. Talk about cognitive dissonance! Sorry, German cars are so soul-crushingly boring now. My "appliance" car is a Jeep Grand Cherokee. We use it for winter mountain travel and summer adventures in the mountains. Since the Jeep's in for repair, I'm in an Audi Q7 loaner. Compared to the Jeep, the Audi reminds me of dad's Buicks and Oldsmobiles. It's just a big, fat, shiny, boat with too much tech to intuitively operate. In contrast, the Jeep is as off-road capable as ever, while maintaining reliable mechanicals and comfort, and (subjectively) much better styling, without appearing "over designed". I swear I believe the only reason to drive German today is social signaling the neighbors. It isn't for fun or performance anymore, based on my firsthand experience.
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