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I don't see anything to be upset about, the car's engine is already underrated no matter what and was putting out impressive numbers in the first place, and is pretty much 90% BMW from the factory regardless of what state of tune it has.
I'm more upset that the car is more BMW than actual Toyota, I would have preferred to see Toyota build their own sports car, they certainly have the money to do so, even Mazda one of the smallest brands on the market is developing their own inline 6 and possibly an RX-9 sports car. To me, the Supra is more hyped than anything, it handles well and isn't terribly priced, but its relying more on its name and heritage than anything and is also lacking an engaging transmission.
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You're right, it was a different engine. The 2021 Supra has been upgraded and now shares the same engine as the M340i.
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What the OP ignores is there would be no BMW Z4 M40I and probably no Z4 3.0i without the Toyota Supra. BMW and Toyotas joint development venture allowed each company to defray development costs so that the Supra and Z4 could happen.
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That's probably why BMW has the much larger enthusiast community. Merc concentrated on making comfortable cruisers fast. BMW concentrated on making driver's cars. |
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I think the last US Merc you could get with a stick was the W204 (previous) generation C-Class, and even then, you could tell they didn't care much for it because Merc would give it a floor mounted parking brake which I never understood since its awkward to have that and a clutch pedal.
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Yup. I’ve also seen only euro spec cars being raced (video by carwow). In both drag and rolling races, the supra pulled ahead of the z4 by quite a bit.
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It's clear that I'm in the minority here. Most people here love that the BMW engine is in the Toyota Supra. Based on some of the comments, some would be thrilled if the B58B30O1 was in every Honda Civic and Kia Forte.
I concede defeat. I blame my Father, lol. He grew up during the American muscle car era and putting a ford engine in a Chevy Camaro was equivalent to blasphemy. Times have definitely changed. I appreciate your opinions. |
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If your point is that it's disappointing that Toyota didn't make a new JZ, you might have more that agree with you. Of course it'd be great if there were more competition. Or at least if Toyota co-developed an inline six with Mazda or something. Toyota did zero work on this motor, and I think you'd have a lot more people on your side if it was just a matter of wishing for more competition. You made it sound like you didn't think Toyota "deserved" the more powerful engine and that it was better than BMW relegated the Supra to the weaker one. Quote:
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If BMW didn't collaborate with Toyota then there wouldn't even be a Z4.
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Anyone else excited that the Supra will have the same exact engine as the M340?
I think tuning support will finally pick up for this motor once the Supra is onboard |
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That's what I am saying.
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I am actually upset that Toyota did not reintroduce a full blown new version of the iconic car.
As far as I am concerned, their new BMW only competes with the Z4. The whole thing is pretty sad actually.
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It was Toyota's intention to put in this engine as from the start, but BMW was not yet ready with it. I believe that the supra is a magnificent car and with this engine, it will be a real cracker! It has become a real upgrown serious sportscar.
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You can be upset but remember that this wouldn't have happened at all for Toyota and for BMW. We should be thankful that there's more sport car offerings regardless of how they come about.
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I am sorry but between the BRZ and this, Toyota is failing. BRZ is a great car but it is not a AWD Subaru and new Supra is nothing but a BMW. I would just go buy a BMW if I were in the market for this type of a car. Partnerships are good / great, take a look at the iconic partnership between Porsche and Mercedes when they created the 500E in 1992. Those cars are still special to this date. I mean they literally just put an i-drive and a BMW engine in a Japanese car Its good to have options but I feel like that there are already plenty out there already and someone needs to make something special to stick out. Not restructure an existing car.
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Point is, this car wouldn't exist if it weren't for the partnership. So if having iDrive in a Toyota is a defining trait, I'll gladly take it. |
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If I'm not mistaken this would only help the mod community for the m340i right? They are all about trying to get the Supra to 1000 hp. More mods = competition = cheaper prices
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