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We have obviously been reading very different reviews and comparisons of these cars....!
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Look, I'm not knocking your precious GC (...for which your personal bias is expected), but from a performance standpoint the cars are pretty equal. There is nuance, but it's splitting hairs.....just like the endless M3 vs M4 comparos. Some prefer the feel of one over the other, but claiming a pure performance advantage is just silly.
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"Pretty equal" is where the subjectiveness of adjectives objectively confirms a difference. Why would anyone ever go as far as optimising Cw with Air Curtains.... it remains "pretty equal" after all.
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I don't know exactly why this is. It could be the lower center of gravity, stiffer chassis, suspension tuning, 50-50 front to rear weight distribution, or whatever. To be blunt, I don't really care if it's one of the above reasons, all of them in conjunction, or none. Maybe during that fateful test drive, I was in a mood that made me easy to impress. Who can ever know. All I do know is that I approached that test drive expecting nothing different from an f30 - having already owned and sold a 335i at that point - and I was pleasantly surprised. The f30, f32, and f36 "handle" similarly. That is, I don't think the 4 can do anything that the 3 series can't easily match, and both models share similar performance at the limit. The everyday driving feel, however, is noticeably different (in my humble opinion). |
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Worth noting the new G20 shares its track with the f32 4 series, obviously a different overall platform but bmw liked something about that setup |
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It's all coming together.
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Almost looks like a cross between the old 4GC and the GT, looks more bubbly in the back than the old 4GC...
also appears the grill is more like the 3 series which would be odd if the 4 coupe is getting the buck tooth/Hitler stash grill. I had high hopes for a M4GC AWD, which appeared to be possible, not so sure it will happen or that I will even like how this front end turns out. I am all for change, but make it more subtle |
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I was banking on an i4 to replace my i3.. not sure I can deal with that grill! (and this is coming from an i3 owner, a car which isn't exactly "pretty") |
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Only a test drive will produce data points for a buy / lease decision.
I own 2017 F36 (with practically every option) and feel this is the best car I've owned so far. |
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If it ends up looking anything like the recently revealed G22 Concept, then it's dead in the water for me.
I'm an F36 owner, btw - which is one of the best looking cars which BMW has produced in years, imo.
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The Gran Coupe certainly does have a slightly different driving characteristic. But it really just comes down to suspension tuning. Yeah the track is a few mm wider (less than the minimum amount that the thinnest wheel spacers would add) and the car is a few mm shorter, but that's more for appearance than anything. 90% of the difference in feel is just from modified suspension components. Actual objective road handling tests show the 3 series drives almost exactly the same as a 4 series.
Coupes from BMW and other manufacturers have always had more aggressive suspension tuning. And it really just comes down to modified spring rates and dampers. The actual geometry of the suspension is almost identical as are major mechanical components like the engine, transmission, steering rack, and subframes. Any changes in feel can easily be accomplished by simply modifying the dampers and springs which goes to show how little the tweaks in dimensions do. I have driven a few Gran Coupes and I do prefer how they are tuned better than a stock F30. However, I personally prefer the styling of the F30 and a simple suspension upgrade got me better handling anyway. |
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