[EthanEJC]

If you looked at the expected take rates from BMW they expected more people to go for Xdrive.

With the Xdrive now out and proven to be just as good if not better then the RWD model I wouldn't be surprised if the take rates are now higher then BMW expected! Specially with the price difference being so small and on a PCP you'd barley notice that on your monthly since not many buy cars outright anymore.

I'm sure there are customers here in the U.K. that would like the manual option but it's clear enough that we just don't buy enough manuals but the U.K. stats everyone goes comp and opted for the DCT, which is why for the G8x we only get ZF.

Also not to mention with the Xdrive being able to go full RWD only and you can turn the traction back on through the 10 stage setting is there really any point in the RWD?

[Gizmo 335i]

I'd like to see a RWD, 6MT with the full stable of horses (from the factory w/ warranty).

[vj123]

Originally Posted by EthanEJC

Also not to mention with the Xdrive being able to go full RWD only and you can turn the traction back on through the 10 stage setting is there really any point in the RWD?

Requoting the initial post as we dont want another rwd vs awd thread.

Originally Posted by vj123

PS: This is not a "manual vs automatic" or "rwd vs awd" debate thread.

[Rux]

Is there any way to estimate or see real production numbers on these?

Are we talking, for example, M3 Comp xDrive 50,000 units worldwide or is it lower/higher?

[EthanEJC]

Originally Posted by vj123

Requoting the initial post as we dont want another rwd vs awd thread.

This is what this thread is though?

As you've said in your OP you want to know the take rate between the three (two U.K.) models currently on offer?

To then see if the rumour about BMW not offering RWD would have any truth to it? (Which you can see on the configurator isn't true maybe for MY24)

Why are people buying the xdrive over the RWD?
You have to ask these questions to why BMW clients might not want to buy RWD over the Xdrive?

Also not to mention Bimmerpost polls aren't gonna give a real world idea since there's only a handful of people are mainly enthusiast on sites like these.

This isn't Xdrive vs RWD and that's better then this.. etc..

But questioning why people are going for one model over the other.

Like I said in my comment Xdrive does everything so if people are going for that model more which this polls shows anyway why would BMW keep producing the RWD model?

Maybe BMW are stoping RWD production but in certain markets I'd like to assume places like the U.K. cause the weather Varys soo much people would be going for the Xdrive more, so BMW U.K. decide to stop selling the RWD model.

Where as some where like the US cause its a lot dryer they would be going for the RWD more.

[vj123]

Originally Posted by EthanEJC

This is what this thread is though?

As you've said in your OP you want to know the take rate between the three (two U.K.) models currently on offer?

To then see if the rumour about BMW not offering RWD would have any truth to it? (Which you can see on the configurator isn't true maybe for MY24)

Why are people buying the xdrive over the RWD?
You have to ask these questions to why BMW clients might not want to buy RWD over the Xdrive?

Point of this thread is to document the take rate of different variants from the actual owners within the forum. If you do a search, you can find plenty of rwd vs awd discussions and we all know how those discussions end. Here are a few:

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1785246

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1870111

Originally Posted by EthanEJC

Also not to mention Bimmerpost polls aren't gonna give a real world idea since there's only a handful of people are mainly enthusiast on sites like these.

That's a known thing. I think something is better than nothing.

[vj123]

Originally Posted by Rux

Is there any way to estimate or see real production numbers on these?

Are we talking, for example, M3 Comp xDrive 50,000 units worldwide or is it lower/higher?

Since BMW is including M lite vehicles in their monthly / yearly M sales report, it might be hard. Hopefully we get to see the actual numbers of this platform one day.

[barryc365]

I find it funny that M3's have been RWD since the very beginning and all of a sudden after 6 months people want to toss out all that tradition and heritage in favour of X Drive that's been around in M3 guise for all of about 7/8 months.

Y'all musta forgot!

I didn't get excited about Audi Quattro's when I drove an E36 M3 back in the day, so I sure as hell am not getting excited about X Drive

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by barryc365

I find it funny that M3's have been RWD since the very beginning and all of a sudden after 6 months people want to toss out all that tradition and heritage in favour of X Drive that's been around in M3 guise for all of about 7/8 months.

Y'all musta forgot!

I didn't get excited about Audi Quattro's when I drove an E36 M3 back in the day, so I sure as hell am not getting excited about X Drive

❌ drive

[zambarossa]

Was chatting with my sales guy the other time I was at the dealership for my oil service. He mentioned that manual orders have slowed down quite a bit since the early days when the G8x was introduced. I asked if most orders have been xDrive given the Canadian weather and he said yes. I guess most people go for convenience over fun.
I'd pick 6MT iver AWD any time, but would have picked a 6MT AWD if it were offered as I leaned to appreciate the extra convenience with my 6MT F30s. That being said, this is one of the easiest RWD I've ever driven in winter/snow. I am quite pleasantly surprised given how much power even the base model has. I'd say BMW pretty much knocked it out of the park with this gen, hopefully not a last hurrah.

[TJR_///M3]

Originally Posted by barryc365

I find it funny that M3's have been RWD since the very beginning and all of a sudden after 6 months people want to toss out all that tradition and heritage in favour of X Drive that's been around in M3 guise for all of about 7/8 months.

Y'all musta forgot!

I didn't get excited about Audi Quattro's when I drove an E36 M3 back in the day, so I sure as hell am not getting excited about X Drive

A kindred spirit!
I won't dig out a similar thread from a couple of months ago, but I made the same comment some while back and said for me an M3 would always have to be a RWD car because of its heritage.
I emphasized that I didn't mean only RWD (no issue with an X-Drive option) and certainly wasn't implying anything against those that choose an X-Drive. It is just my emotional position that I would want my M3 to be RWD only.
I still caught some flack for it "... because the X-Drive is so much better" - well the things it is better at aren't what I am looking for.

[vj123]

Total votes - 269

G80/82 base - 27.88%
G80/82 competition - 22.30%
G80/82 competition xdrive - 49.81%

[seis-speed]

Manual for me. I would love an Xdrive manual, but I will take whatever the 6MT options is, so RWD for me.

Been waiting on an allocation for a long time, not sure if 6MT is making things take longer?

Very few G80 manuals when I do any type of search.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by barryc365

I find it funny that M3's have been RWD since the very beginning and all of a sudden after 6 months people want to toss out all that tradition and heritage in favour of X Drive that's been around in M3 guise for all of about 7/8 months.

Y'all musta forgot!

I didn't get excited about Audi Quattro's when I drove an E36 M3 back in the day, so I sure as hell am not getting excited about X Drive

I can't speak on the tradition as i'm not an M enthusiast or a BMW enthusiast at all. My history is just high hp RWD corvettes but i will say that people change.

I said the same thing when placing my order last summer. I had the option of getting the x-drive as i believe it was ready for order 1-2 months at the time i was at the dealer but i declined it. Because i figure, like the past, RWD means less drivetrain loss, faster off a roll and just more fun right?

Well when the x-drive came out, it was a lot faster than the RWD off a line and even off a roll still faster? Seems that BMW gave x-drive models 603hp instead of 503hp to compensate the drivetrain loss of the AWD.

After owning a tesla for a couple of months, certain needs of a cars' characteristics change. You adapt.

Having the beauty of AWD. Immediate traction all the time. Pair that with power and you're now an addict.

I wish i got the x-drive.

[HNSKP]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

After owning a tesla for a couple of months, certain needs of a cars' characteristics change. You adapt.

Having the beauty of AWD. Immediate traction all the time. Pair that with power and you're now an addict.

I wish i got the x-drive.

Are you describing the xdrive or the tesla? The M3P checks all of those boxes too and is as fast or faster in real world situations. Talking purely straight line speed of course.

In my experience, the thrill of acceleration wears off quickly when there's little drama to go with it. Then either the mod bug bites or you start looking at other cars, ad infinitum.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by HNSKP

Are you describing the xdrive or the tesla? The M3P checks all of those boxes too and is as fast or faster in real world situations. Talking purely straight line speed of course.

In my experience, the thrill of acceleration wears off quickly when there's little drama to go with it. Then either the mod bug bites or you start looking at other cars, ad infinitum.

I'm talking about my model 3. I don't have the performance i have the long range + acceleration boost.

But then again tesla probably has the best torque vectoring in the game right now.

That's why there was a video of a plaid doing 2.5 0-60 in the wet on all seasons. It's absolutely nuts.

So far like 4 months in, the thrill of that acceleration is just as amazing as the first day i experienced it.

I have other ICE cars that keeps me entertained as well.

But for a daily driver, nothing beats an EV. I can never go back to an ICE daily.

[HNSKP]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

But for a daily driver, nothing beats an EV. I can never go back to an ICE daily.

Totally agree that EV rules as a daily.

I'm just one of the stubborn few who still prefers to drive to work with an anachronistic manual transmission. The 1-2 shift doesn't like to be rushed. Cars beat me off the light all the time lol.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by HNSKP

Totally agree that EV rules as a daily.

I'm just one of the stubborn few who still prefers to drive to work with an anachronistic manual transmission. The 1-2 shift doesn't like to be rushed. Cars beat me off the light all the time lol.

I totally respect you still want/have a manual. I only have 1 manual car left, my C7Z. But to be honest, i love the car to death but i hate that it's a manual now lol. When i got it i was still in love with manuals. I thought by getting rid of my manual daily i had 2 years ago i would appreciate a weekend manual car more. But nope. When i drive my C7Z on the weekend, i love the sound, power and the attention but then i'm like fuck, i gotta do this shifting shit again.

I now understand why a lot of people hate teslas or tesla owners so much. We're too cocky out there in real world driving lol. At least anywhere from 0-90 or so. I have pissed off so many people the past couple of months when they want to pass me and i just stab the throttle lmao

[HNSKP]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I now understand why a lot of people hate teslas or tesla owners so much. We're too cocky out there in real world driving lol. At least anywhere from 0-90 or so. I have pissed off so many people the past couple of months when they want to pass me and i just stab the throttle lmao

I was guilty of doing that when I rented an S P85D and X P90D a few years ago. Don't need that kind of temptation on my commute. We're not that far off from seeing every other person on the road driving EVs with sub 2.5 second 0-60 times. It's a scary future.

To get this thread back on track:
I think of x drive as the standard version of the competition, while the rwd is an extra "purer" trim at a slightly lower entry point, kind of like carrera S vs carrera T.

[Former-Mopar]

Originally Posted by vj123

Do you think the extra $5k will be an issue for people who are spending $85k on the vehicle plus several thousands on ppf and others mods.

It could be an issue. How do you know they aren't loaded down with debt already. Hell most people in the US live pay check to pay check already.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by HNSKP

I was guilty of doing that when I rented an S P85D and X P90D a few years ago. Don't need that kind of temptation on my commute. We're not that far off from seeing every other person on the road driving EVs with sub 2.5 second 0-60 times. It's a scary future.

Nah, just like today's ICE cars, you have tiers. But i think it would be relatively easier to go fast in an EV in the future, than it would be today, in an ICE car. But i don't think everyone will be driving 2.5 0-60 cars in the future lol. A lot will, but the soccer moms might be forced/or want to drive a slower 4 second 0-60 EV lol. Yeah you're right, it's going to be scary haha.

To get this thread back on track:
I think of x drive as the standard version of the competition, while the rwd is an extra "purer" trim at a slightly lower entry point, kind of like carrera S vs carrera T.

That's what i think should be done, but probably too late now to modify models like this this late in the generation (because there's no rumor of a possibility).

Purist M3/M4 = lightweight MT & RWD only
Street M3C/M4C = x-drive & auto only


Just have 2 variants of the model, instead of 3.

[vj123]

Originally Posted by Former-Mopar

It could be an issue. How do you know they aren't loaded down with debt already. Hell most people in the US live pay check to pay check already.

I would assume that crowd to opt for something flashier than a G8x.

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

That's what i think should be done, but probably too late now to modify models like this this late in the generation (because there's no rumor of a possibility).

Purist M3/M4 = lightweight MT & RWD only
Street M3C/M4C = x-drive & auto only

Just have 2 variants of the model, instead of 3.

There is still a good amount of people opting for M3c and i dont think anyone here would complain because a manufacturer is giving more options to the customer. Also BMW would have done plenty of market analysis before zeroing in variants especially for a M3/4 (base is not an option in the UK).