[praxis218]

Originally Posted by penet05

There was a screenshot of what is standard what is optional for M340i from an Auto Show. It is same as 330i Msport. Don't expect more standard options...

M340i has more standard options. Just eyeballing...

• M Sport Differential (not on 330i configurator)
• M-Sport Brakes (not on 330i configurator)
  

[penet05]

Originally Posted by praxis218

M340i has more standard options. Just eyeballing...

• M Sport Differential (not on 330i configurator)
• M-Sport Brakes (not on 330i configurator)
  

Okay. Remove track handling pkg. Rest is same.

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by penet05

Okay. Remove track handling pkg. Rest is same.

$2,450 value. Not pocket change.

[penet05]

Originally Posted by praxis218

$2,450 value. Not pocket change.

Not a big money if we are talking about spending 70K for a car.

[Ilyam5]

I did not include M package and track package in my original estimation of $68, 785

Now from the list of features i see 19 wheels are not standard - another $600-$1000. Leather is not standard, so my estimate is correct.
So it looks like

One can load 330 up to 60K.
and M340 up to 70K

[RichReg]

Just wondering if anyone's considering the possibility that BMWNA will give the M550i a nice price hike when the updated engine arrives?

Does anyone have a reference or recall what happened to the F10 550's price (LCI) when the V8 was upped in power a few years back?

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by penet05

Not a big money if we are talking about spending 70K for a car.

Go to the buying/leasing threads. People jump for joy over a $1,500 lease credits.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by RichReg

Just wondering if anyone's considering the possibility that BMWNA will give the M550i a nice price hike when the updated engine arrives?

I would guess no more than $5000, and probably less than that. If we look at the 750i LCI which gets the same engine, I suspect they will keep it under $100k. That will mean a price increase of $3000 or less. Figure the M550i increase to be in the same ball park. In fact, the 750i gets the bigger power bump since it's coming from an engine with a little less power.

[Ilyam5]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I would guess no more than $5000, and probably less than that. If we look at the 750i LCI which gets the same engine, I suspect they will keep it under $100k. That will mean a price increase of $3000 or less. Figure the M550i increase to be in the same ball park. In fact, the 750i gets the bigger power bump since its coming from an engine with less power.

I agree. What complicates it even more - I believe - it is a silent update in JUly 2019 for 5 series. B58 engine is getting a bump with TU to 335HP adn 550 gets a TU engine at 523HP plus some electronics (???). they call it MY 2020 5 series update
But the real LCI for 5 series is scheduled for July 2020? correct?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

I agree. What complicates it even more - I believe - it is a silent update in JUly 2019 for 5 series. B58 engine is getting a bump with TU to 335HP adn 550 gets a TU engine at 523HP plus some electronics (???). they call it MY 2020 5 series update
But the real LCI for 5 series is scheduled for July 2020? correct?

I wouldn't necessarily call it a "silent" update - it will no doubt be accompanied by the typical BMW press releases with thousands of hyperbolic words expounding upon all the improvements. However, yes, it's true this is not the LCI which should arrive by mid 2020. Still, it is not uncommon for BMW to introduce fairly significant updates to models that do not coincide with their LCI.

[440xiGCMSport2]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

I really think it comes down to whether you can live with the way the M550i drives. Based on the new 3 series reviews, it seems BMW is discovering their roots again and the new M340i will be both fast and fun, The M550i however was built before they rediscovered their mojo though. After test driving a M550i, and owning a 540i I would say the M550i is more fast but not really fun. Its a great car, but that M badge is a bit of trickery in my opinion, its really just a normal 5 series that so happens can hit 0-60 in under 4 seconds. The steering, excessive body roll and overall feel while driving is definitely more comfort oriented, while I think the M340i will be the one to get for enthusiasts. Neither car is a bad choice, I just think that they are two cars that are definitely aimed for 2 different audiences.

I just think the cars are targetted to different markets. The 3er is for a younger crowd and the 5er is for more a mature crowd so more a luxury cruiser. it has nothing to do with BMW regaining it's mojo since these cars redesign or model reengineering happens more than 5 years ago. new models don't happen overnight so they started engineering and redesigning models as soon as the previous models launch more or less.

[themnmd]

well optioned m550 is about 90k vs about 65-70k for m340

[delmarco]

Yeah I gave up on trying to make sense of BMW packages that drive up the price of a lower series car into the price tier of a higher series.

When BMW starting charging high package prices for SPORTS PACKAGE (not M sport but regular ass sport package - steering wheel, rims, seats, etc..) on a 3 series sedan that is already a sports sedan and LUXURY PACKAGE/EXECUTIVE PACKAGE on a 5 and 7 series sedan that is by definition a already a luxury sedan when it was designed.

I was building a 2019 X5 last weekend and there is now an SUV/OFF ROAD PACKAGE that costs $3900...Do they not know it is already an SUV!!!

BMW's PACKAGE OPTIONS are becoming plain old silly!

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

Now that the numbers are out, and the M340i is approaching $70K loaded and leasing for $900-1000 a month, one wonders what to get.

Is the M340i too close in price to the M550i at $80K and leasing for $1000-1100 a month (better residuals), especially with the 2020 model getting the 523hp V8?

M340i advantages
- Smaller, more nimble car
- Less weight
- Limited slip
- Could be ordered with rear wheel drive

M550i advantages
- A lot more horse power - that V8 is magic (approaching M5 category for $20K+ less)
- More room in the back
- More comfortable
- Did I mention 523hp?!

[The J-Man]

An M340i should cap out at about $67K fully loaded. After initial demand dies down you should be able to buy the car for about $60,300. I would expect residuals will be around 60% for 10,000 miles per year. With a .00188 MF less MSD's = .00153. You can almost certainly count on a miniumum of $2K lease and loyalty cash - throw another $500 on for BMWCCA, add 8% tax and you're at $695/month with acquisition fee as down payment. We might even see higher incentives and higher residuals depending on demand. Predictions are that the auto industry is in for a rough year.

A loaded M550 will run about $900 minimum using the same assumptions as above. Despite the improved driving dynamics, quite honestly the current gen 5er seems to be a dud. The new 3 and X5 have already dated the 5er interior. The reviews of the new 3 say it is very quiet, comfortable and athletic and the m340 will be a beast. Upgrading to the 5 hardly seems worth it for slightly more room and better seats. Heck, it seems like the new 3 even has better technology than the 5. I love my current 550 but doubt I'll replace it with another 5er.

[PawnStar]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

You are absolutely correct. I'm just excited about that 523HP engine

You have a source for this?

[Ilyam5]

Originally Posted by PawnStar

You have a source for this?

https://bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=901686

"MY2020 G30... M550i will move to the new 530hp N63."

[Ilyam5]

Originally Posted by The J-Man

An M340i should cap out at about $67K fully loaded. .

Now that we know packages and options as well as February programming. We can try plugging real numbers. Using 330 option pricing. My loaded 340 xi is actually $70600 with the new exciting pack
ZTK: High-Performance tire and cooling with M tech package priced at $1850 judging from 8 series (bigger fan, oil cooler , performance tires)

My 0 down lease calculations with no msds are still at $906 per month before tax and that with 4k discount 66.6k selling price and buy rate .00188 which will require some negotiations

Most likely id want 12 k miles a month so with tax it is closer to 960 a month. Also I did not put any individual pricing in. Tanzanite blue will add another 2 k to price or 60 bucks to lease.

As for 550 - i am not talking loaded. I want one for 80 k with premium exec and assistance pro that resembles 3 series options.
Now they are 10 k apart with 340 and maybe 100 a month different in lease. Drive the 850 and see how you like that new v8 for 100 bucks more a month - pretty tempting

[magbarn]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

Now that we know packages and options as well as February programming. We can try plugging real numbers. Using 330 option pricing. My loaded 340 xi is actually $70600 with the new exciting pack
ZTK: High-Performance tire and cooling with M tech package priced at $1850 judging from 8 series (bigger fan, oil cooler , performance tires)

My 0 down lease calculations with no msds are still at $906 per month before tax and that with 4k discount 66.6k selling price and buy rate .00188 which will require some negotiations

Most likely id want 12 k miles a month so with tax it is closer to 960 a month. Also I did not put any individual pricing in. Tanzanite blue will add another 2 k to price or 60 bucks to lease.

As for 550 - i am not talking loaded. I want one for 80 k with premium exec and assistance pro that resembles 3 series options.
Now they are 10 k apart with 340 and maybe 100 a month different in lease. Drive the 850 and see how you like that new v8 for 100 bucks more a month - pretty tempting

For me being the ripe old age of 43, the extra $100 for the m550 over the crazy overpriced M340i is a no brainer. It's a highway cruiser with crazy amounts of power and the ability to put it down with the xdrive. The G30's main problem is it isn't a canyon carver and the nose heavy m550ix exacerbates it a bit. You have to get DHP to add some pep back into the G30's chassis so the price will go up a bit.

Really crazy that BMW is asking E92 M3 money for the m340ix....

Now that BMW's leases are really crappy compared to 2 years ago also isn't helping it either

[The J-Man]

Originally Posted by Ilyam5

Now that we know packages and options as well as February programming. We can try plugging real numbers. Using 330 option pricing. My loaded 340 xi is actually $70600 with the new exciting pack
ZTK: High-Performance tire and cooling with M tech package priced at $1850 judging from 8 series (bigger fan, oil cooler , performance tires)

My 0 down lease calculations with no msds are still at $906 per month before tax and that with 4k discount 66.6k selling price and buy rate .00188 which will require some negotiations

Most likely id want 12 k miles a month so with tax it is closer to 960 a month. Also I did not put any individual pricing in. Tanzanite blue will add another 2 k to price or 60 bucks to lease.

As for 550 - i am not talking loaded. I want one for 80 k with premium exec and assistance pro that resembles 3 series options.
Now they are 10 k apart with 340 and maybe 100 a month different in lease. Drive the 850 and see how you like that new v8 for 100 bucks more a month - pretty tempting

If you want to lease an m340 for $1000/month, you will find lots of dealerships will be happy to help you with that. Most people, however, will lease them fully loaded for much less. It is true, however, that a 550 wont be more than $100-$200 per month more depending on options.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

I really think it comes down to whether you can live with the way the M550i drives. Based on the new 3 series reviews, it seems BMW is discovering their roots again and the new M340i will be both fast and fun, The M550i however was built before they rediscovered their mojo though.

That is, 100% NOT what has been said about the current 5 Series. The M550i is serious performance for the dollar and from what I've seen, there's a significant discrepancy between the claimed hp on the current twin turbo V8 model and what it dynos, providing some better understanding at why it's as fast as the previous-chassis M5.

I'm at a possible inroads depending on if a dealer is going to buy back my car, although I probably don't need to worry about it, I'm making some contingency plans. The M550i is on those plans, because as stated here, the M340s are just a waste of time IMO. M550i builds nicely-equipped for around 80K. There are other cars I'm considering, but this one ticks a few boxes and costs no more, like compared to an RS5 sportback, etc.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

That is, 100% NOT what has been said about the current 5 Series. The M550i is serious performance for the dollar and from what I've seen, there's a significant discrepancy between the claimed hp on the current twin turbo V8 model and what it dynos, providing some better understanding at why it's as fast as the previous-chassis M5.

I'm at a possible inroads depending on if a dealer is going to buy back my car, although I probably don't need to worry about it, I'm making some contingency plans. The M550i is on those plans, because as stated here, the M340s are just a waste of time IMO. M550i builds nicely-equipped for around 80K. There are other cars I'm considering, but this one ticks a few boxes and costs no more, like compared to an RS5 sportback, etc.

I'm talking about the M550i which I drove and didn't like. The press doesn’t love the M550i so much, and when I drove it I agreed with what they said. Disappointing steering and handling, but great straight line performance and comfort. It's not close to being an M5 lite by any means, its just a regular 5 series that just so happens to be faster than the last M5.

To quote Car and Driver's review, this is exactly how I felt after driving an E53 AMG and M550i. "The M550i was an excellent opportunity to create a wingman to the M5, a driver-focused lesser model in the spirit of the Mercedes-AMG E43. The M550i isn’t that. It’s a very fast 5-series with an M badge rather than something that BMW’s longer-serving fans would recognize as a real M car."

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...e-test-review/

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

I really think it comes down to whether you can live with the way the M550i drives. Based on the new 3 series reviews, it seems BMW is discovering their roots again and the new M340i will be both fast and fun, The M550i however was built before they rediscovered their mojo though. After test driving a M550i, and owning a 540i I would say the M550i is more fast but not really fun. Its a great car, but that M badge is a bit of trickery in my opinion, its really just a normal 5 series that so happens can hit 0-60 in under 4 seconds. The steering, excessive body roll and overall feel while driving is definitely more comfort oriented, while I think the M340i will be the one to get for enthusiasts. Neither car is a bad choice, I just think that they are two cars that are definitely aimed for 2 different audiences.

I disagree with this. The G30 5 series chassis and the new G20 3 series chassis both share the same exact CLAR platform so for you to make the incorrect claim that the G30 was built before BMW rediscovered their Mojo is just an statement in your part to justify your G20 bias (Or your bad mouthing of your previous 540i or propping yourself to feel better about your E Class, take a pick).

The reality is that all G platform CLAR BMWs are a better drive and have better dynamics than F platform era cars.

Also the M550i is a car that has a different mission to the M340i. Not really an apples to apples comparison. The M550i provides an excellent balance between power and luxury. A more agreeable DD than say a M5 Competition.

The focus of the 5er is more towards luxury. I still believe the car handles and rides fantastic even better than the previous F10 5er.

And don't forget also the M550i is as powerful and faster than the F10 M5.