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That’s narrow for you to call people ‘badge whore’ so easily. I’ve been driving a camaro for the last 8 days, and it’s a pile of junk. And badges don’t just appear out of nowhere, it’s about quality, trust and history. I drove the G20, it feels faster, more nimble, way better built. If you hate BMW so much that in every topic you will claim that literally everything else is better than BMW, and call people badge whores left or right, you’re obviously a troll. Also, let me remind you that any other G20 review called G20 best in class. I don’t understand what makes this one special. Maybe intense cynicism and trolling?
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Don’t get too worked up bro, he’s been shitting on the G20 left and right every chance he gets. Just read what he drives , it'll explain everything. |
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This follows the G30 5-series, which does have the lowered (-10mm) passive M-sport option on xDrive models. Quote:
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The problem is it's very difficult to nail down exactly what car and driver's standards are. For a most recent example, the most recent instrumented test I could dig up on the Alfa Romeo Giulia showed that it had 0.79g on the skid pad, yet, other than a passing comment about it, they heap all sorts of praise on the Giulia in regard to its handling prowess. Yet the g20 330i they tested posts 0.89g on the skid pad and they use it as a metric by which to negatively critique the car. This is in spite of the fact that 0.89 is acceptably in line with what other similarly outfitted cars in the segment achieve on the skid pad. Clearly the skid pad isn't the be all end all of how they assess handling, but then why leverage the skid pad data against the g20 330i - even though it achieved a perfectly acceptable score compared to every other similarly spec'd competitor? |
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Yep, read my sig, my F36 had adaptive. If that was light-years better than the base F30, well, that's not saying much. My mods at least got it to an acceptable level, but stock, it was poor. I got the 4 GC because I thought the handling would be closer to a “sports sedan”, despite the x-drive that I needed. IMO, BMW has dropped the ball with this concept when the x-drives are “soft and high”. I don’t need ground clearance for ice. Normal ground clearance is fine unless you are driving off-road, in which case you get an “x” model or something.
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So I don't think your summary of C&D is correct. They specifically hated on the F30 and the F10 and there was very good reason for that. BMW went to EPS, which no one is blaming them for, but they've been very slow to improve their EPS like Porsche has. For a company that operated on being the "Ultimate Driving Machine" for so long, that's a bit annoying. BMW also decided to just make the suspension super compliant out of nowhere. Even the base E90 had a nice firm suspension that felt good on twisties, but then beginning with the F30, suddenly BMW decided to give us a bunch of body roll. It pleased casual drivers, sure, but that's a tangible reason why C&D wouldn't like it. Also, regarding your comment about GM only having the Camaro and the Corvette. GM also made the SS on the Zeta and the ATS/CTS on the Alpha platform. Those cars all have more capable chassis than the F30/F10. Though they all have other issues ranging from mild to serious that might detract luxury car buyers. But from a handling/steering standpoint, they beat out BMW for a whole generation of cars. |
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i have adaptive on my F30 xDrive and it's really floaty and body rolls like crazy. started modding suspension within a month.
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You shouldn't have to add a track handling package to make the car drive like a BMW. It should come that way. After owning two 3 series, I bought a V6 Genesis. It's better as most of the reviews say. Plus I got tired of paying extra for every little thing on a BMW. They need to change that mindset.
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You have multiple options to tailor it as you see fit. If you want a driver focused car then you know what boxes to tick, same if you want a Lexus like feel... The downside is if you don’t know what to pick, or you grab something off the lot with preselected options. There’s pros and cons to that approach. |
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Without going into too much detail and having to write an essay on a forum, all I can say is, currently owning a R56 MINI, E90 3er and F36 4er Gran Coupe and getting to drive a G20 330i everyday, I strongly disagree with the C&D article.
I have a love/hate relationship with BMW and have no issue calling BMW out on things so I can call it as I see it. To me, the article is borderline hating. Behind all that text, all I read is the writer wishes he could take a C-Class and slap a BMW badge on it and call it the perfect car. For me at the end of the day, is the G20 better than the F30 out of the gate? Absolutely. No question. Does the G20 330i xDrive drive as well, if not better than my F36 440i? It some aspects it does. The G20 should have been the car that succeeded the E90. It corrects a lot of things wrong with the F3X and in some aspects, it reminds me very closely to the E90 and that's something I could not even say or hint with my F36 and any F3X 3/4er. |
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Hell, it's not so much that I can disagree with them selling the public what they want, watered down platforms and SUVs for people to play with their phones in, but for the love of god, stop calling them the "ultimate driving machine". I remember when I ordered the "track handling package", which was simply the adaptive dampers. Got the "oh, you don't need that unless you are using it on a track" line from the salesperson. That person had no freaking clue...this car, even with adaptive dampers, is so far removed from a track car that anyone that says that should be punched in the mouth immediately. My 2SS 1LE is lightyears ahead in that regard...as it should be though, as it's not masquerading as a sedan.
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I had it as a loaner and I feel it has grown in size. I felt suspension was quite supple and glided over bumps. Although steering was light, it had a very consistent and precise feeling.
Backseat is tight, felt less legroom than my F30. The digital dash is good but I didn't like the glare (see pic). Overall it was a decent improvement in the direction of precision and balanced ride. It's fast and does the job but lacks the personality of the 3 series of yesteryears. Need to wait for the M340i and M3 now.
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