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      03-07-2020, 10:02 PM   #89
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Saw local dealer offering 2020 M340i at $519 monthly with $5000 down payment (30k mi for 36 months), plus DMV fee and tax. Seems significantly lower than any other cars with MSRP around 58k. Does it sound like a good deal?
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Saw local dealer offering 2020 M340i at $519 monthly with $5000 down payment (30k mi for 36 months), plus DMV fee and tax. Seems significantly lower than any other cars with MSRP around 58k. Does it sound like a good deal?
Down payment on a lease is a no-no. Ask what the % off MSRP is and then get the buy rate money factor.
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Saw local dealer offering 2020 M340i at $519 monthly with $5000 down payment (30k mi for 36 months), plus DMV fee and tax. Seems significantly lower than any other cars with MSRP around 58k. Does it sound like a good deal?
No lease with a down payment is a good deal. Ask what the % off MSRP is and then get the buy rate money factor.
So I always have this confusion. When I directly buy a new car, I just simply slash as much as I can from MSRP, at least 10-15%, or just get OTD price to be below MSRP. But I am a little unclear how to negotiate a lease. I did hear from friends that never put any down payment, and get monthly payment at no more than 1/100 of MSRP (assuming 10k mi a year). Is this a good rule?
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So I always have this confusion. When I directly buy a new car, I just simply slash as much as I can from MSRP, at least 10-15%, or just get OTD price to be below MSRP. But I am a little unclear how to negotiate a lease. I did hear from friends that never put any down payment, and get monthly payment at no more than 1/100 of MSRP (assuming 10k mi a year). Is this a good rule?
best to go to the financing threads and doing a search as this is covered in great detail.

The sum is, you're negotiating 2 SEPARATE things:

(1.) the cost of the car including incentives, etc, and

(2.) the cost of the financing, is this case a lease - you'll need to consider getting the base money factor rate, eliminating all garbage fees, etc.

The great benefit of a lease is that you're negotiating the "sale" of the car at the end of lease up front so no matter what happens in the market, BMWFS still has to "pay" you for the pre-negotiated price.

For example, my lease is up in Nov - let's say COVID19 craters the used car market thus making a $60k car now worth $30k then. If I'd gotten a loan, I'd be fucked; with a lease I get the option: get my $60K and walk or negotiate a much better market-normalized purchase price. This would also be the case if I'd crashed the car 10 times - BMWFS still has to take it back for my pre-negotiated price with a lease.
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So I always have this confusion. When I directly buy a new car, I just simply slash as much as I can from MSRP, at least 10-15%, or just get OTD price to be below MSRP. But I am a little unclear how to negotiate a lease. I did hear from friends that never put any down payment, and get monthly payment at no more than 1/100 of MSRP (assuming 10k mi a year). Is this a good rule?
best to go to the financing threads and doing a search as this is covered in great detail.

The sum is, you're negotiating 2 SEPARATE things:

(1.) the cost of the car including incentives, etc, and

(2.) the cost of the financing, is this case a lease - you'll need to consider getting the base money factor rate, eliminating all garbage fees, etc.

The great benefit of a lease is that you're negotiating the "sale" of the car at the end of lease up front so no matter what happens in the market, BMWFS still has to "pay" you for the pre-negotiated price.

For example, my lease is up in Nov - let's say COVID19 craters the used car market thus making a $60k car now worth $30k then. If I'd gotten a loan, I'd be fucked; with a lease I get the option: get my $60K and walk or negotiate a much better market-normalized purchase price. This would also be the case if I'd crashed the car 10 times - BMWFS still has to take it back for my pre-negotiated price with a lease.
You are also negotiating a potential early lease sale/trade in by lowest money off msrp as possible

Also looking for lowest lease payment for possible lease transfer before lease ends
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I don't understand why people are so gleeful about a new generation car vs outgoing gen - regardless if it's a M or base... You're comparing the G to the F series, wtf do you think is going to happen? That BMW was going to make the next gen cars slower?!

And wtf do you think will happen when the G8X comes out? It's going to be slower than G20?

This happens to ALL car manufacturers... 488 is quicker than 458 for example, as it should, considering it's a NEW GENERATION...

Me personally I enjoy how each iteration gets better and quicker and so on and so forth... I wouldn't shit on F8X or G20 or anything of the sort - G20 gives us a glimpse into what numbers the G8X will do and to me that's more exciting to me than "oh boy!! The G20 is gonna piss off a lot of new M3/M4 owners!!" Yeah, no... I can't imagine there's going to be a long list of G8X owners who are gonna sit there and say - "gee, I should've got a M340..."

And to clarify again for the idiots - no, I don't think the M340 is crap - will say it again, but the better the M340 performs? The more excited you should be for the ensuing M models... Minus the grill... I just can't... For my personal tastes that is...
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New generations of 3'ers always approach the straight line performance of previous generation M cars. That's not new and not a surprise. I doubt many F8X owners really care, and if they do I'm sure they can all afford to pick up a G20 if they want to.
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Who cares - a Tesla smokes them both in a straight line. Which one would you rather drive down a twisty mountain road?
Lmao people need to measure the dick size with meaningless stats. I'm not the best driver, so someone in a Honda Civic coulda probably toast me around a circuit.....BUT MY m3 IS TWIN TURBO!!!!!!
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That's gonna piss of many M3 owners!
Why, because of 0-60 (0-100 kph), XI vs. M3?
Did you watch the rest?
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That's ironic because I feel that the best part of these types of threads are the M340i owners who feel like they need to justify not getting a M car.
Ive owned THREE M3's the last being a '17 competition package car. I can honestly say this M340 is better in all the ways that matter. It is smoother, faster, more comfortable and much better to live with on a day to day basis.

If you are going to the track, get the M. If you are dropping the kids at school and then continuing on to the office, get the M340.
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I don't understand why people are so gleeful about a new generation car vs outgoing gen - regardless if it's a M or base... You're comparing the G to the F series, wtf do you think is going to happen? That BMW was going to make the next gen cars slower?!

And wtf do you think will happen when the G8X comes out? It's going to be slower than G20?

This happens to ALL car manufacturers... 488 is quicker than 458 for example, as it should, considering it's a NEW GENERATION...

Me personally I enjoy how each iteration gets better and quicker and so on and so forth... I wouldn't shit on F8X or G20 or anything of the sort - G20 gives us a glimpse into what numbers the G8X will do and to me that's more exciting to me than "oh boy!! The G20 is gonna piss off a lot of new M3/M4 owners!!" Yeah, no... I can't imagine there's going to be a long list of G8X owners who are gonna sit there and say - "gee, I should've got a M340..."

And to clarify again for the idiots - no, I don't think the M340 is crap - will say it again, but the better the M340 performs? The more excited you should be for the ensuing M models... Minus the grill... I just can't... For my personal tastes that is...
Since Porsche stopped building cars by hand and got away from the air cooled engines, every new model has been faster and faster. That being said, NONE of them, from the 996 in 1999 to the current 2020 model are as special as the beloved 993 ('95-98). The new cars are mass produced by robots, and they are appliances by comparison.

Each new model is just Porsche number next. The 993 is going down in history as "THE" classic Porsche to own. And it is SLOW by comparison.
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That's ironic because I feel that the best part of these types of threads are the M340i owners who feel like they need to justify not getting a M car.
Ive owned THREE M3's the last being a '17 competition package car. I can honestly say this M340 is better in all the ways that matter. It is smoother, faster, more comfortable and much better to live with on a day to day basis.

If you are going to the track, get the M. If you are dropping the kids at school and then continuing on to the office, get the M340.
If you are doing all of those get the M. I take my kid to school and I track and take it to the office once and awhile. The M340i can take my kids to school and go to the office too, but it will suffer at the track. The only reason I could see myself in an M340i it's cheaper. It's also newer but the G80 is coming out soon and that would make that moot. X drive is nice, but where I live I don't need it and the G80 will have it anyway. I don't think the M340i is faster where it matters either because I don't stop light race. I need it to be faster on the track.
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That's ironic because I feel that the best part of these types of threads are the M340i owners who feel like they need to justify not getting a M car.
Ive owned THREE M3's the last being a '17 competition package car. I can honestly say this M340 is better in all the ways that matter. It is smoother, faster, more comfortable and much better to live with on a day to day basis.

If you are going to the track, get the M. If you are dropping the kids at school and then continuing on to the office, get the M340.
I've owned three M cars and have yet had any interest in getting a "M performance" model. True M cars have all suited my needs perfectly. It's all subjective.
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That's ironic because I feel that the best part of these types of threads are the M340i owners who feel like they need to justify not getting a M car.
Ive owned THREE M3's the last being a '17 competition package car. I can honestly say this M340 is better in all the ways that matter. It is smoother, faster, more comfortable and much better to live with on a day to day basis.

If you are going to the track, get the M. If you are dropping the kids at school and then continuing on to the office, get the M340.
I've owned three M cars and have yet had any interest in getting a "M performance" model. True M cars have all suited my needs perfectly. It's all subjective.
I think I'd rather drive an M car and envy the softer M340i suspension a handful of times than regret not driving an M car all of the time.
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That's ironic because I feel that the best part of these types of threads are the M340i owners who feel like they need to justify not getting a M car.
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That's ironic because I feel that the best part of these types of threads are the M340i owners who feel like they need to justify not getting a M car.
Every review that raves the M340; says it's hard to justify an M3

Which means the bar is the M3

I have an F80 it would less expensive to get a M340

If I'm not all in M3 I'm all out and I d just get a lexsus Es 350

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You're comparing the G to the F series, wtf do you think is going to happen? That BMW was going to make the next gen cars slower?!

And wtf do you think will happen when the G8X comes out? It's going to be slower than G20?
Except faster doesn't mean better - there's a ton of people here who sold their F8x to go back to the E9x because it had way more soul and was way more fun to drive. Like many have said, if you want daily driver speed, Tesla. If you want track speed F8x.

The G is unknown at this point. might be better, might not.

Either way, we already the G8x is going look like its face started on fire and someone beat it out with chain.
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