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      10-14-2020, 02:26 PM   #23
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I really like the design of this car. Pity M4 xDrive release was pushed otherwise it would've been a replacement for my 540xi.
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      10-14-2020, 02:58 PM   #24
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I just saw one at my local dealer. Was in for service.

Looks amazing in person. Honestly Iím more pissed on the way the executed the rear quarter over the front. The front looks excellent in person. Itís a huge car next to my m2 though, thats for sure
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Jesus, who the hell is driving the car? Literally the worst kind of BMW driver...

Watching him mashing down the iDrive controller was absolutely cringe worthy. Shifting the gear lever to sport then back to normal several times at the stop light only to take off on normal, handling of the steering wheel while turning like a soccer mom in a minivan...this better not be a sales person at a BMW dealer. All the tell tale signs of someone with road rage. 😂😂😂🤣
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It's actually a little heavier apparently.
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So regarding performance is there any difference? I know the 440 is potentially lighter (I am assuming here) with it being a coupe but just considering engine power, like for like. Is the 440 up in the Bhp over the 340?


IIRC 4 series will be lower and longer and the lack of extra doors translates to slightly more body rigidity in turning.

There will be basically no difference in acceleration but theoretically the 4 series will handle better.
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      10-14-2020, 03:10 PM   #27
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when you see it in person let me know if your perception changes. Curious to hear.
When I saw it in person, my perception did change. It went from "are you joking?" to "are you serious?!".

It went from thinking that Domagoj Dukec was being sarcastic when he said hell with tradition to thinking that Dukec is a covert spy from Audi or MB and trying to bankrupt BMW with literally the worst non-congruent design language in their history.

BTW, many top car designers have commented on the fact that the front and rear of the 4 series don't speak the same language.
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      10-14-2020, 03:13 PM   #28
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the 3er has a Lexus back
the 4er has a Hyundai back
Ugh. I know. Everyone always talks about the grilles, but the tail lights on both cars are absolutely atrocious. I can live with the grilles, but the tail lights are a deal breaker for me. I am hopeful they will improve the 3er's tail at LCI, but I'm not sure what they'll do with the 4er. The whole slanted look is just awful on a BMW.
I wonder if they intend to go with a light bar just like the 7 series for the LCI...
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      10-14-2020, 03:24 PM   #29
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Have been reading through this thread and it seems that we are equating "older" with "not as good." ......
I hope not, nor would I say newer "not as good". Just different flavours!
I have an older 3 series and still like it very much but the new one gets me excited about maybe getting a new one too. Nothing wrong with previous Bimmers as we know that's how we all got here.
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the 3er has a Lexus back
the 4er has a Hyundai back
And Lexus copied 2014 Hyundai Sonata back lol
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the guy that's driving makes a bad name for all other bmw drivers, what a knob
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Those orange reflectors on both cars are dying to be painted.👍
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the 3er has a Lexus back
the 4er has a Hyundai back
Ugh. I know. Everyone always talks about the grilles, but the tail lights on both cars are absolutely atrocious. I can live with the grilles, but the tail lights are a deal breaker for me. I am hopeful they will improve the 3er's tail at LCI, but I'm not sure what they'll do with the 4er. The whole slanted look is just awful on a BMW.
I wonder if they intend to go with a light bar just like the 7 series for the LCI...
Would have liked to see a design more akin to the M3/4 CS taillights
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the guy that's driving makes a bad name for all other bmw drivers, what a knob
It's like watching some VR dream from the movie "Brainstorm".
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Jesus, who the hell is driving the car? Literally the worst kind of BMW driver...

Watching him mashing down the iDrive controller was absolutely cringe worthy. Shifting the gear lever to sport then back to normal several times at the stop light only to take off on normal, handling of the steering wheel while turning like a soccer mom in a minivan...this better not be a sales person at a BMW dealer. All the tell tale signs of someone with road rage. 😂😂😂🤣
Did seem a bit awkward didn't it. I can see that iDrive controller breaking in a few months, and then the owner complaining that "BMW iDrive is unreliable, it broke after 6 months.... I'm going to have a whinge about how unreliable BMWs are on the internet"...
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When I saw it in person, my perception did change. It went from "are you joking?" to "are you serious?!".

It went from thinking that Domagoj Dukec was being sarcastic when he said hell with tradition to thinking that Dukec is a covert spy from Audi or MB and trying to bankrupt BMW with literally the worst non-congruent design language in their history.

BTW, many top car designers have commented on the fact that the front and rear of the 4 series don't speak the same language.
Can you identify these many top car designers. I only know of one. Would love to read their quotes.
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Can you identify these many top car designers. I only know of one. Would love to read their quotes.
Most designers don't openly bash others on public forums. However, in a rare show of bewilderment, there has been at least one that has blatantly implied "what the hell was BMW thinking". Others have been more subtle. I don't have time to look up all the posts/articles. Most keep a tight lip and will only comment off the record. I know a few designers at 4 auto companies. They all are like "WTF" from a design language standpoint. Individual design cues may be fine, it's the overall language that is discongruent.

Another way to look at design language is like wearing matching clothes. You may have an awesome shirt with great buttons and sleeves and collar. You may have awesome pants with a great zipper and tapered legs and cool pockets. But they don't match each other because they are completely different themes and shapes and styles. That's the new 4 series.

But to each his own. Everyone has different style and tastes. Sometimes people wear mismatching clothes and it works for them.

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Can't tell if it's the black or if the grille is growing on me
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Can't tell if it's the black or if the grille is growing on me
The grill is good. Problem are asian rear lights. Nothing wrong with Asia but that's not BMW design language.
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Most designers don't openly bash others on public forums. However, in a rare show of bewilderment, there has been at least one that has blatantly implied "what the hell was BMW thinking". Others have been more subtle. I don't have time to look up all the posts/articles. Most keep a tight lip and will only comment off the record. I know a few designers at 4 auto companies. They all are like "WTF" from a design language standpoint. Individual design cues may be fine, it's the overall language that is discongruent.

Another way to look at design language is like wearing matching clothes. You may have an awesome shirt with great buttons and sleeves and collar. You may have awesome pants with a great zipper and tapered legs and cool pockets. But they don't match each other because they are completely different themes and shapes and styles. That's the new 4 series.

But to each his own. Everyone has different style and tastes. Sometimes people wear mismatching clothes and it works for them.
So other than one who said both good and bad about the new 4, the others are anonymous, so we donít know if they are really top automotive designers, or just internet wonders. Hmm.. so fake news is a real thing.
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New grille, like or not, makes previous models look older.
The F30/ F32 made the E90/ E92 look old, but the E90/ E92 are well designed cars, and even by today's standards, still look fresh and modern. Specifically the lci models.
If the design is good and "forward looking", it won't look too much outdated later imo
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So other than one who said both good and bad about the new 4, the others are anonymous, so we donít know if they are really top automotive designers, or just internet wonders. Hmm.. so fake news is a real thing.
Huh? What in the world are you talking about? If you don't understand the basics of design symmetry in congruity, I'm not going to sit here and educate you. You're just trying to pick a fight and defend your decision on ordering this vehicle.
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No, not looking for an argument, just asking... who the “many top designers” are that you referenced. I’d like to read or hear what they’ve apparently shared with you. There’s a difference between designers and bloggers.

I don’t need an education in automotive design, or to defend my purchase, as much as you should be able to defend your blanket statements when asked for the references.
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