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      10-16-2020, 12:38 PM   #23
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I'm repeating myself but BMW is a luxury brand; and Tesla is simply not a luxury brand. OF COURSE a BMW would be more expensive than a comparably-sized Tesla. It's weird to me that people would even assume otherwise.
The automotive world has all but unanimously classified Tesla as a premium vehicle manufacturer. Tesla is not the only the only premium vehicle manufacturer whose products have what some traditional luxury buyers would deem subpar qualities in one area or another.

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Alfa Romeo or Jaguar: History of questionable reliability
Lexus: Questionable performance acumen
Genesis: Associated with Hyundai/Kia who have a history of poor quality
BMW: Long history of glitchy, unreliable electronics

I'm sure there are others I don't mention, and perhaps some of the manufacturers on that list could be argued to have other shortcomings as well.

In the case of Tesla, I see (very justified) complaints about build quality and spartan interior. But, in the same way that we cannot reasonably remove every manufacturer from the list of luxury carmakers because they do not build a vehicle that excels in every way, so too has the automotive community correctly concluded it would not make sense to do that with Tesla either.

At any rate, regardless of how one personally feels, it is clear to me that BMW and its traditional competitors consider Tesla no less a threat to their businesses than they do each other. Contrast that with a Chrysler or Subaru who likely occupy very little time on BMW brass's list of automakers to be concerned about.
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Back on topic, so am I correctly seeing that this car will have M4 (or M4-esque, I suppose, since there's no four door M4) quarter panels but normal 4 Series front fenders (and face)?
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sold the M3 and buying an Audi. Perhaps I will return one day but that won't appear to be the case for 5-7 years from now.
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Definitely interested to see how this plays out. It would be tough to give up a manual transmission, but if I did it would only be for an EV
Agreed.
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I'm repeating myself but BMW is a luxury brand; and Tesla is simply not a luxury brand. OF COURSE a BMW would be more expensive than a comparably-sized Tesla. It's weird to me that people would even assume otherwise.
I disagree, I promise my Model S is more luxury than your run of the mill 3 series 4 cylinder...
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      10-16-2020, 01:26 PM   #28
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"Furthermore, engineers are looking at ways to substitute the exhaust note, which is a big part of the driving experience."

Yes, BMW!! The only way I purchase a full EV is if there's artificial engine sound akin to an ICE.
No, you don't want fake ICE noises in an electric car. It makes no sense. Electric cars have no transmission so there is no cycle of revs and rise and fall of an exhaust note like an ICE car.

I think the whine of the electric motors when pushed hard sounds cool. Look up formula e or the vw id r. Now if you take the vw r sound and make it a little deeper, it could sound really good in a daily driver. With a switch/ I drive menu option to turn it off though. Cause the quiet cabin of an ev is really nice sometimes. (We own a Leaf plus)
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The only question I need answered to determine if I'm a fan is will it have the giant grille.
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sold the M3 and buying an Audi. Perhaps I will return one day but that won't appear to be the case for 5-7 years from now.
As a public service, look somewhere else. Bought and had to dump a $60k+ 2016 A6 3.0T Prestige in about two years after random electrical problems, unfixable trans problems ("they all do that and yes, others complain too"), early brake disc failure denied for warranty. Final straw was tech telling us he was told to alter repair order to support denying warranty and blaming "pad transfer". Dishonorable and cannot be trusted on top of poor quality. NEVER AGAIN! Suggest looking anywhere else. Good luck.
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I disagree, I promise my Model S is more luxury than your run of the mill 3 series 4 cylinder...
OKay but you're comparing a 60k-100k car to a 30k 4cyl 3 series. At least compare it to a well optioned 540i. And when you do so, sorry but the Tesla can't hold a candle to it.

The leather alone in every model S I've been in has felt such low quality i questioned whether or not it was real leather and not vinyl or something.
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I keep forgetting it will have the grilles. Bold choice for an EV.
most EV's do still have cooling systems.
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I disagree, I promise my Model S is more luxury than your run of the mill 3 series 4 cylinder...
i hope you are being sarcastic. You had to say 4 cylinder bc you know a well equiped 3 series is on par with the Model S that costs double the price. Thats SAD. But Tesla owners seem to think the size of the screen dictates how luxurious it is.
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      10-16-2020, 02:10 PM   #34
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Does the roof line look more sloping like a GT/coupe or are the camo panels fooling me, which isnt hard 🙄
Looks like previous 3GT. So F36 will have a price as Paul Newman Daytona
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I really want to be excited for this but I'll be honest that I'm very concerned about the exterior styling. I'm hopeful they'll manufacture an electric M2 that remains small and agile and concurrently respects BMW design heritage. How bad ass would an E30 design descendant be in electric format? There's so much they could do with the car now that mechanical components won't figure into the design (packaging as opposed to styling).
Isn't the entire point/appeal of the M2 is that its visceral and engaging to drive? Remove the manual transmission or even flappy paddles, exhaust note, and add several hundred pounds of batteries and the car is no longer an M2.
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I keep forgetting it will have the grilles. Bold choice for an EV.
most EV's do still have cooling systems.
I'm referring to the design decision. It looks like it's ICE brethren will, which seems odd to me, but who knows. Thanks for the engineering update though.
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i hope you are being sarcastic. You had to say 4 cylinder bc you know a well equiped 3 series is on par with the Model S that costs double the price. Thats SAD. But Tesla owners seem to think the size of the screen dictates how luxurious it is.
millennials equate screen size to luxury...

damn this new generation of car buyers
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      10-16-2020, 03:20 PM   #38
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I really want to be excited for this but I'll be honest that I'm very concerned about the exterior styling. I'm hopeful they'll manufacture an electric M2 that remains small and agile and concurrently respects BMW design heritage. How bad ass would an E30 design descendant be in electric format? There's so much they could do with the car now that mechanical components won't figure into the design (packaging as opposed to styling).
Isn't the entire point/appeal of the M2 is that its visceral and engaging to drive? Remove the manual transmission or even flappy paddles, exhaust note, and add several hundred pounds of batteries and the car is no longer an M2.
I will certainly miss rowing my own gears and that beautiful sound of the magnificent i6, however, the Taycan has impressed some pretty reluctant professionals. Furthermore, moving to electric propulsion is the the responsible thing to do and I'm hopeful there will be some new thrills afoot that might soothe a bit of the pain from the loss of those visceral notes.
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I am very much looking forward for BMW, a brand synonymous with performance, to finally offer just that, performance that can smoke Tesla.

If you ask me, right now getting an M car almost defeats the purpose. Sure, you will be the loudest in the street, your car will not look like a soap bar on wheels (Tesla) and if you track your car, which most do not or do it twice a year max, then maybe an M car makes senses. Otherwise your killing machine will get serious spanking by a soccer mom in Tesla sipping golden caramel macchiato with almond organic milk...venti of course.

BMW please deliver an M car that can put Tesla in its place without having to learn a multi step launch control which may or may not work, break torque the car, pray you get traction and don't lose precious milliseconds, none of that please. I want a BMW to deliver performance with the same ease Tesla is delivering it now. Think Netflix user friendliness as opposed to long gone Blockbuster.

In short, looking forward to the next electric or highly electrified M5. Hope it comes right on time when my new lease is up.
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I'm repeating myself but BMW is a luxury brand; and Tesla is simply not a luxury brand. OF COURSE a BMW would be more expensive than a comparably-sized Tesla. It's weird to me that people would even assume otherwise.
I disagree, I promise my Model S is more luxury than your run of the mill 3 series 4 cylinder...
It's more luxurious? No.
More high-tech? Yes.
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There's literally zero reason to have that giant grill other than brand recognition. I'm willing to bet that there will be a LCI model that will change the grill shape and size on the M3/4 by 2022, if that's the case, I think that the i4m will have a different front altogether. Maybe something cohesive and attractive?
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There's literally zero reason to have that giant grill other than brand recognition. I'm willing to bet that there will be a LCI model that will change the grill shape and size on the M3/4 by 2022, if that's the case, I think that the i4m will have a different front altogether. Maybe something cohesive and attractive?
IMO no 4 series LCI is imminent, especially for the i4. The i4 concept car was apparently accepted well enough to proceed with production in 2021, and the other new 4 series cars are designed to propel the i4 to market because EV is the future of BMW.

There will be plenty of new buyers to replace those that give up on the 4s this year. In fact, the new 4s, grill and all, could easily sell in far greater numbers than did the slumping coupes did in 2019.
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Interested to see how this car turns out, especially since BMW will be one of the first (if not first) traditional auto manufacturers to put a normal battery-only EV against Tesla
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