[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by openwheelracing

Dust under paint vs defective gasket. Not equal. One is reliable, the other is not.

OK..let's open up the semantics...the various terms that are used in different surveys or metrics are:

Defects
Conditions
Issues

...leading to an overall assessment of quality and reliability. Dust under paint may require more time out of service to repair in a body shop repaint than replacing a gasket. The issue is to what degree does the car require additional attention for repair or remediation, from the front fascia to the rear, creating inconvenience/problems for the owner. This is the overall metric Consumer Reports addressed based on owner reports.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by openwheelracing

Tesla news is the best roller.coaster drama.

Now a German company conducted efficiency test between the old Model X against latest ETron and iPace. Tesla is 22% more efficient against the latest and greatest. It shows how well ahead Tesla is against the competition.

An out-of-box idea, namely, Tesla should sell its powertrain and battery efficient tech to others who are better than Tesla in building cars!

It does not make sense for Tesla to labor on areas that it is not equipped/experienced to tackle.

[openwheelracing]

It doesn't matter what the issue is, a Tesla is going to take longer to repair because it's Tesla. It's established fact.

My point, is that a dust under paint is not equal to cracked cylinder head, defective airbag....etc. If you insist they are the same, well I hope you never get a bad airbag cause I have never met a person killed by dust under paint.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by openwheelracing

It doesn't matter what the issue is, a Tesla is going to take longer to repair because it's Tesla. It's established fact.

My point, is that a dust under paint is not equal to cracked cylinder head, defective airbag....etc. If you insist they are the same, well I hope you never get a bad airbag cause I have never met a person killed by dust under paint.

I fear this is becoming overly pedantic. However, to continue...they are as obviously as different as A and B. But, they are the same in that they are both members of a larger group, the alphabet in my analogy, or among the group of issues that takes the vehicle off the road and away from the owner for a period of repair time. If the car is gone from the owner's garage for repaint or for gasket replacement, the car has a defect that owners wish not to experience when they choose a new vehicle. The purpose of CR's data is to advise people about models with which they can expect a more hassle-free existence versus those leading to knowing your service advisor's phone number by heart, whatever the range of problems may be.

[openwheelracing]

We are not having the same discussion apparently.

[Whalerdude]

I drove the Tesla 3 and I loved it. However I am a longtime BMW 3 series fan and I love the new 330I even more. Also I like to lease and Tesla does not have a lease program for the 3. It was just too weird shopping the Tesla. There is no spare on the Tesla and they do not have runflats. I don’t want to wait for the road service truck to come out on a temporary tire that they supposedly will have.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Whalerdude

There is no spare on the Tesla and they do not have runflats.

Which is exactly how you get BMW M cars or non-Ms with track package.

[openwheelracing]

I thought they were RFT. So these Michelins with acoustic foam inserts have no extended mobility? That's actually music to my ears cause I hate RFT.

Is that lower trunk section big enough for a space saver?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by openwheelracing

I thought they were RFT. So these Michelins with acoustic foam inserts have no extended mobility? That's actually music to my ears cause I hate RFT.

Is that lower trunk section big enough for a space saver?

No. It's deep but short and not very wide. Ideal for 3-4 grocery bags but not a tire.

[bavarianride]

The Model 3 of a colleague's husband was broken into through the rear quad window, and the damage extended to the rear door window. The glass repair of both was $1000! The job had to be referred by Tesla.

My F30 had a broken front passenger window, and trusted body shop quoted $400 with factory glass, while a low cost shop using aftermarket glass quoted $150! A local CCRC quoted $600.

[eluded]

I drove the Model 3 RWD and it was meh.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by eluded

I drove the Model 3 RWD and it was meh.

Tesla's official time for the Medium Range Model 3 RWD is 0-60 in 5.6s, which is similar to the 330i at a similar price.

https://3.tesla.com/model3/design

Real world tests have shown it to be even quicker:

https://www.google.com/search?q=RWD+...eal+world+0-60

[openwheelracing]

35K Standard Range Model 3 arrived!

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by openwheelracing

35K Standard Range Model 3 arrived!

That is breaking news! The article does not say when delivery can happen though.


https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/28/1...elon-musk-news

Tesla will close most stores in next few months for another wave of layoffs.

So how do customers address delivery issues without support from store staff? Will customers need to examine and deny delivery at their driveways when the cars roll off the truck?

[bavarianride]

The standard features of $35000 Model 3 from Tesla website are as follows. This can be a F30 320i replacement!

Manual seat and steering adjustment!
Cloth seats and base trim!
Basic audio
Standard maps and navigation
Tinted glass roof with ultraviolet and infrared protection
Auto dimming, power folding, heated side mirrors
Music and media over Bluetooth®
Custom driver profiles
Center console with storage and 4 USB ports

[openwheelracing]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

So how do customers address delivery issues without support from store staff?

They don't deliver cars at the galleries, they are done at the delivery centers. The galleries are the ones being closed.

That was done to get people to see the cars at the mall. They don't need it cause Model 3 are everywhere.

[openwheelracing]

The Standard Range + is one heck of a deal. 240 miles range.

[Eric500]

So if we compare a 330i base (standard paint, wheels, sensatec) with Convenience, Premium, and PDC $46,395 (with dest)

to the 325 range Model 3 with premium interior and 5.0 0-60 for $44,200 (with dest)

I would still choose BMW as would most people reading this, but this better be a wake up call to BMW about the general population who aren't as interested or loyal. Even before the price cut, I sadly see model 3s everywhere.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by openwheelracing

The Standard Range + is one heck of a deal. 240 miles range.

That does look like the sweet spot: $2K for better audio, materials, heated seats, and some extra mileage and performance is a very good deal.

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by bavarianride

That is breaking news! The article does not say when delivery can happen though.


https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/28/1...elon-musk-news

Tesla will close most stores in next few months for another wave of layoffs.

So how do customers address delivery issues without support from store staff? Will customers need to examine and deny delivery at their driveways when the cars roll off the truck?

They can always pick them up at the nearest delivery tent.

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by Eric Tsang

So if we compare a 330i base (standard paint, wheels, sensatec) with Convenience, Premium, and PDC $46,395 (with dest)

to the 325 range Model 3 with premium interior and 5.0 0-60 for $44,200 (with dest)

I would still choose BMW as would most people reading this, but this better be a wake up call to BMW about the general population who aren't as interested or loyal. Even before the price cut, I sadly see model 3s everywhere.

That may be, but EVs are still impractical for most people. But yes you do make a very solid point.

[bavarianride]

Originally Posted by openwheelracing

They don't deliver cars at the galleries, they are done at the delivery centers. The galleries are the ones being closed.

That was done to get people to see the cars at the mall. They don't need it cause Model 3 are everywhere.

That is true, the delivery centers should remain open.

And my guess is delivery priorities will be given to those who still have reservation numbers!