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      11-22-2019, 04:57 PM   #45
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Leaning towards NO Auto with RWD.
RWD mode is included on M xDrive system.
That is correct but you'll likely have someone here chime in saying they want RWD with all the nannies which you don't get with M xDrive.
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      11-22-2019, 05:13 PM   #46
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I may not have been following this as well as others: do we think there will be any significant weight savings by opting for rwd over awd? Maybe it's too soon to know?
always... RWD simply weighs less than AWD - one less differential and also additional half shafts


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I live in a harsh winter climate and I'm still only interested in the RWD manual version.

Call me a purist or call me crazy, but that will never change as long as I'm alive and RWD/manual cars are offered. Weather has zero impact on my decision. RWD/manual cars is all we had growing up in Eastern Europe back in the day. Everybody managed just fine. Sure, cars nowadays have a lot more power, but that's why dedicated snows exist.

RWD with proper snow tires > AWD

..cheaper too
+ 1 …. Grew up in the Midwest.. learned to drive on snow at 17.
Drove a FWD Honda from 21 to 21 and at 25 years of age but I wanted RWD and I purchased a used E30M3. it handled great with snow tires. 20 years later, I specifically purchased an Sdrive X1 (not X drive) and even with 19's Michelin AS3+ and it is phenomenal.

AWD will help stoplight drag racers put the power down... but otherwise.. I'll take RWD.
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The first good news I've read about BMW in ages.
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Dang I was hoping for AWD & manual... not sure what I'll go for now :
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This will be my dilemma... I live in the northeast, where an AWD daily makes the most sense. However, I'm still a big 6mt + rwd fan, and still I love the idea of a manual family sedan. Right now I'm leaning towards 6mt + rwd but by the time I'm ready to buy, my priorities may be slightly different. Either way, glad they're giving us the choice!
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There went any consideration for AWD for me (..not that I need it living in SoCal). I was going to potentially give an AWD + MT a try. MT + RWD it is! Bring it on.
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That sucks. The F80s struggles to put power down, I wonder what they'll do to alleviate that.
They will offer an automatic AWD version for people who need to put the power down.

I've said this many times but a lot of us love RWD specifically because it will bust the tires loose and dance around, that's half of the fun. Do I care that my friend's RS6 can accelerate more quickly than I can? Nope.

With that said, I'm actually becoming less excited by RWD shenanigans and more tired of paying for rear tires so I honestly think I would go for the AWD + automatic variant if I go for a G80 M3 in the future. I've been having a lot of fun in the F90 M5s I've driven.
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If I bite (thinking I'll sit out because I just bought my M2C, which I love), I'll take the MT/RWD version. However, I am concerned about traction issues. I think the S55 reached the limits of where RWD is superior. I would have definitely jumped at the MxDrive M3 with MT, given the RWD bias and ability to switch to RWD mode. Oh well.
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I want a manual awd competition or CS with the option of flicking into rwd configuration.
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I want a manual awd competition or CS with the option of flicking into rwd configuration.
Well.. from the thread on auto vs DCT, it seems that one of the reasons for the generic ZF8 choice is that the design lets them modify just the torque converter to add in a second drive output for AWD or a hybrid electric motor system. Not easy with the existing 6MT.

The ZF8 is very unlikely to be a rewarding experience for those who like to make their own gear change decisions (it certainly isn't in an X3M). I'm sure that those who drive in a straight line between stoplights and have a heavy right foot will be fine....but that's not why I buy an M car.

Since we now know it's going to be early 2021, I have over a year to sew some wild oats. ;-)

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They will offer an automatic AWD version for people who need to put the power down.

I've said this many times but a lot of us love RWD specifically because it will bust the tires loose and dance around, that's half of the fun. Do I care that my friend's RS6 can accelerate more quickly than I can? Nope.

With that said, I'm actually becoming less excited by RWD shenanigans and more tired of paying for rear tires so I honestly think I would go for the AWD + automatic variant if I go for a G80 M3 in the future. I've been having a lot of fun in the F90 M5s I've driven.
All my cars have snow tires, I'll be the first to say snows on a rwd >>> awd with all seasons. My F80 has a stage one and bolt ons and it's not even about gunning off the line, even at highway speed this things lights up the traction control. Cars are getting way too powerful for a single axel.

I'm no pro but I also feel having awd brings some feedback back into these electro steering racks. My 911 4S is a lot more communicative than a 2S.

If I'm getting the G80 it'll be rwd manual but it's no longer a no brained how it has been. Plenty of nice awd automatic cars out there and if a fully loaded M340 is in the mid 60s this shots gonna be in the mid 80s. There's a lot of car that can be bought for that kind of money.
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All my cars have snow tires, I'll be the first to say snows on a rwd >>> awd with all seasons. My F80 has a stage one and bolt ons and it's not even about gunning off the line, even at highway speed this things lights up the traction control. Cars are getting way too powerful for a single axel.

I'm no pro but I also feel having awd brings some feedback back into these electro steering racks. My 911 4S is a lot more communicative than a 2S.

If I'm getting the G80 it'll be rwd manual but it's no longer a no brained how it has been. Plenty of nice awd automatic cars out there and if a fully loaded M340 is in the mid 60s this shots gonna be in the mid 80s. There's a lot of car that can be bought for that kind of money.
I assume almost everyone here will be running proper winter tires even on an AWD platform so I do think for those of us in bad climates that the AWD is very appealing still. Especially with the reported power numbers this thing makes.
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On the E90 there was around 200 lbs weight penalty on the xDrive vs the rwd. Expect similar.

A loaded slush box + AWD could be close to crack 4000 lbs
That's about F90 M5 territory at 4,000lbs
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Good news!

RWD manual, cloth seats and small wheels may be my next car after the M2C.
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Funny I was just saying this last night and now I see this thread lol I'm content with waiting 1 year.. time to have fun with my F85 cause I truly love this damn thing.

I feel good about the M3 though, I told a friend a few months back if the new M3 comes with the same drivetrain as the F90 M5 / X5M and that "2JZ but with better cooling" looking motor it's over...ball game...bimmer got it hands down and they'll also have my money lol

Btw that "2JZ" comment comes from when I saw early production photos of the short block which looked very 2J ish
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