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So which car did you buy?
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Knobs, buttons, hand gestures, touch screen, heads up display, voice commands, apple car play (android auto eventually?). I’m counting 6 maybe 7 ways to interface with the vehicle. In that regard, I don’t call that subjective... it’s objectively more advanced and feature-laden. The iDrive system in the G20 is the same one in the newest flagship 7-Series and the 8-Series. The Model 3 interior cabin tech is a cost cutting effort compared to the Model S/X. And maybe save any performance argument when referencing the Model 3P for the folks on the F80/G80 forums... because the Model 3P is meant to compete with them. I stand by my general assertion that a Tesla, regardless of model, does not match the standards expected of BMW/Mercedes/Audi at the limit because of battery heat issues. It’s just a problem with the current implementation of the technology. I’m sure the Roadster 2.0 will sort that out, but many purists will insist it be able to perform back-to-back Nürburgring hot laps to earn its pedigree. Last edited by Giggler; 08-16-2019 at 03:45 PM.. |
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But fun to drive? The Model S is far from that. It's a heavy numb boat, much like the F10 5er of its day.
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Both companies are developing toward the future .
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What I'm hoping for is an electric JCW Mini with a 300 mile EPA (not Euro) range. That's one bmw brand vehicle I'd surely buy. If they make one, then I'd believe that Bavaria is marching towards the future. Quote:
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The main problem I have with Tesla is the cheap interior the huge gaps in the panels and lastly the long long wait for parts if you get into an accident. Friends wife who has a Model 3 got rear ended and it is taking 2 months to get parts and fix. it wasn't even a huge crash.
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As for the interior, I love the black and white interior on my 3. Not sure if you’ve seen a 3 with it? It has a space age vibe and easily the best interior I’ve been in. (The standard black interior does feel a little drab but so does the black interior on any bmw - I’ve had had a couple of those too). |
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All Tesla needs to do for me to convert is to update the Model S' interior. I'd like for it to adapt to the newer Model 3's look while also adding in some more luxury features.
In my opinion the model 3 isn't pretty enough for me, so I'd rather have the still very good looking Model S. The looks combined with the greater 370 mile range, bigger interior and hatchback practicality make it more appealing than the Model 3, all its missing is a newer and more luxurious interior, although, it still has a gauge cluster unlike the model 3, so I guess thats one good thing of the older interior.
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Funny thing happened last night. I was following a Model 3 (not sure which package) and he knew I was behind him so he kicked on the gas. Tell you what, I had a hell of a time keeping up with him.
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Yep. I think the M3P is quicker and it would also beat the M340 in autocross and on the track (for the first few laps).
I test drove both and I would personally take the M340. The 3P feels soft and lifeless. I don't know why. I guess there is more to the feel of a car than just instant acceleration. |
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From the way he took a corner (nice and quick with no loss of traction while I lost traction), it looked to be a long-range AWD. It was one of the nicer Model 3's I've seen.
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I think I figured out why I don't really get excited about the Model 3 even though it's faster than just about anything else. Maybe I'm slow witted and that's why it took me so long. The whole car is designed to be part of a taxi service fleet. The only reason it has a steering wheel and pedals is because self driving hasn't progressed fast enough. The car is designed to turn the driver into a passenger. The whole driving experience is an unnecessary option. Contrast that to a true sports car where the driving experience is front and center. I know there are a lot of people who disagree and find the Model 3 super fun and engaging. That's cool. But for me I want the car to wrap around the driver and focus on the driving experience.
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Coming from an ‘09 335i sedan (with lots of repairs along the way), I also debating getting another 3-series or a Model 3. I still chose to get a new '19 330i just a few months ago, LOL. The driving experience is just not there in an electric car. Feeling the engine rev up as you push on the throttle just can't be replaced.
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Auto Express (UK) compares the G20 and Model 3:
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/tesla/...l-showdown?amp |
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The fact that the Model 3, a clean-sheet design that’s only been on the market for 18 months, wins the comparison with the car/line that BMW has had decades to perfect is the most telling aspect.
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In reality though, the 3 series, and automotive technology in general, has changed so much since it's inception, and teams of engineers have come and gone at bmw and every other manufacturer, so I don't think it's completely accurate to say that bmw has had decades to fine tune the 3 series. It assumes a nice neat, linear continuity that doesn't really exist. For one example, all it takes is a newer manufacturer to poach an engineer from a more "experienced" brand's team, and they acquire a fair bit of that wisdom and experience. |
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