[BimmerQuest]

Here is a hack Photoshop job...

[nks_bb]

Originally Posted by wuzupfoo

I was really looking forward to a brand new M3 picked up in Germany. Unless they somehow make that schnoze integrate better in the production model, im with the naysayers.. this will hurt them which they cant really afford with the shift to e-cars that is sucking down money.

This is sad... no 1st time bmw euro delivery for me.

My plans were the same Euro Delivery in 3 years time. Guess it'll have to be 991.2 instead.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by Foodle

Just for grins, I dug out this old thread on the E90/92 M3 board from when the F30 was introduced. People (myself included) weren't crazy about the hoodline and shape of the nose. And people complained about the design being too incremental, but it was a far cry from the very negative response to the 4 Concept which probably went too far in the other direction.

Old thread here:
https://www.m3post.com/forums/showth...&highlight=f30

All there. Including people canceling their European delivery

This new 4 series is the best looking BMW in a long time. And especially as a percentage of 3 series sales, it will definitely sell more than before, because it will look more expensive and special.

People who are obsessed with the grill are only upset because it’s a change. There is no design guideline in the world that dictates grill size. Big or small grill doesn’t mean anything in terms of “beauty” of the design. One can easily create a bunch of small grill memes as well, and actually the pig nose memes look more like E30’s small kidneys.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

I think the model suggests it's too soon for final opinions.


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This is actually exactly the same as the concept. And it looks amazing.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

This is actually exactly the same as the concept. And it looks amazing.

I see that now too, the more recessed grill inserts and the body colored frame made the grills look slightly narrower than the concept but l as you now think it’s a model for the concept. However if recent concepts as the X7 is a guidance production will look very, very close and that’s a good thing.

[530iDriver]

For those of us that used to frequent BMW forums in the early 2000s the same cries from the old BMW guard were heard in the comments section. The "Flame surfaced" BMWs of the time were catalog the demise of BMW and the mobs with their torches and pitch forks were ready to go on the haunt for Chris Bangle.

How times have changed, haven't they? Those same critics now loud the "Timeless" and avant garde designs of Bangle and wish for him to be back at the helm of BMW design.

Watch this space again in 10-15 years to see what I mean.

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

For those of us that used to frequent BMW forums in the early 2000s the same cries from the old BMW guard were heard in the comments section. The "Flame surfaced" BMWs of the time were catalog the demise of BMW and the mobs with their torches and pitch forks were ready to go on the haunt for Chris Bangle.

How times have changed, haven't they? Those same critics now loud the "Timeless" and avant garde designs of Bangle and wish for him to be back at the helm of BMW design.

Watch this space again in 10-15 years to see what I mean.

I'm not so sure
Bangle designs were heavily criticized at the time, for certain. However, there wasn't a single, standout design feature, like the big grilles of today, which drew so much of the criticism. I don't think we'll be looking back in 10-15 yrs time at this latest design phase with much nostalgia or sympathy .
Having visited a few dealerships recently, I think that most of the big grilled cars look as sh*t in the metal as they do in the pics. The only exception, to my mind, is the new Z4 for the simple reason that all elements of the front end are in proportion.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by BimmerQuest

Here is a hack Photoshop job...

Wow, nice improvement.

The 'blackout' grilles work also.. Hmm, this might not be too bad as it seems if the M Performance division makes something like this to conceal all that piazza..

[solstice]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

I'm not so sure
Bangle designs were heavily criticized at the time, for certain. However, there wasn't a single, standout design feature, like the big grilles of today, which drew so much of the criticism. I don't think we'll be looking back in 10-15 yrs time at this latest design phase with much nostalgia or sympathy .
Having visited a few dealerships recently, I think that most of the big grilled cars look as sh*t in the metal as they do in the pics. The only exception, to my mind, is the new Z4 for the simple reason that all elements of the front end are in proportion.

The “Bangle butt” was a single design feature that was at least as controversial.

As for the current larger grilled BMWs I think the G05 X5 looks ace and it dated the prior X5 instantly. It looks fresh, sculpted and aggressive. The prior model while still being handsome now also looks a bit soft, tame and old in comparison.

The new Z4 looks very generic to me, it has lost it’s unique look.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by solstice

The “Bangle butt” was a single design feature that was at least as controversial.

As for the current larger grilled BMWs I think the G05 X5 looks ace and it dated the prior X5 instantly. It looks fresh, sculpted and aggressive. The prior model while still being handsome now also looks tame and old in comparison.

I find all of the latest grilles from 3 to Z4, to X5 and X7 to look good, but I've still yet to adjust to the new 7 series. I'm waiting to reserve judgement on the 4 until I see a production version in the flesh.

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by solstice

The “Bangle butt” was a single design feature that was at least as controversial.

As for the current larger grilled BMWs I think the G05 X5 looks ace and it dated the prior X5 instantly. It looks fresh, sculpted and aggressive. The prior model while still being handsome now also looks tame and old in comparison.

Each to their own . I'm not a fan of any of the X cars, past or present

[snareman]

Originally Posted by Foodle

Just for grins, I dug out this old thread on the E90/92 M3 board from when the F30 was introduced. People (myself included) weren't crazy about the hoodline and shape of the nose. And people complained about the design being too incremental, but it was a far cry from the very negative response to the 4 Concept which probably went too far in the other direction.

Old thread here:
https://www.m3post.com/forums/showth...&highlight=f30

The e90 to f30 was an evolutionary change. This is a revolutionary change, sadly in a bad way.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Wow, nice improvement.

The 'blackout' grilles work also.. Hmm, this might not be too bad as it seems if the M Performance division makes something like this to conceal all that piazza..

It is definitely better in black, mostly just because they are a little more hidden.

[superherorockstar]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Depends on how castoran* you are:





[SIZE="1"]*super nerdy D&D reference. you know who you are.[/SIZE]

They look like twins

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by Fuller

Of course styling plays a role in desirability, but in an m3, I have to imagine that a driving enthusiast will prioritize performance over styling.

that notion should stay in the imagination space because:

(1.) These are street cars, a "driving enthusiast" will own or rent a dedicated track car if they prioritize performance.
A/C, leather, cruise control, bluetooth don't exactly scream "i prioritize performance you guys!"

(2.) If styling / image isn't a priority then BMW wouldn't exist. Nobody puts up posters of generic performance car.
Styling generates the emotions, performance enables them.

Without styling there is no car.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by DreaminBMW

Kinda funny that since this reveal came out, bimmerpost has posted an average of 3-4 articles per day. Kinda like they wanna drown this thread so far down the line... makes you wonder. Average is 1 or 2 posts a day..

I also thought this. The guys Black M2 Conp is nice and all...but it's an M2. Hardly front page stuff!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

All there. Including people canceling their European delivery

This new 4 series is the best looking BMW in a long time. And especially as a percentage of 3 series sales, it will definitely sell more than before, because it will look more expensive and special.

People who are obsessed with the grill are only upset because it's a change. There is no design guideline in the world that dictates grill size. Big or small grill doesn't mean anything in terms of "beauty" of the design. One can easily create a bunch of small grill memes as well, and actually the pig nose memes look more like E30's small kidneys.

Originally Posted by 530iDriver

For those of us that used to frequent BMW forums in the early 2000s the same cries from the old BMW guard were heard in the comments section. The "Flame surfaced" BMWs of the time were catalog the demise of BMW and the mobs with their torches and pitch forks were ready to go on the haunt for Chris Bangle.

How times have changed, haven't they? Those same critics now loud the "Timeless" and avant garde designs of Bangle and wish for him to be back at the helm of BMW design.

Watch this space again in 10-15 years to see what I mean.

Originally Posted by solstice

The "Bangle butt" was a single design feature that was at least as controversial.

As for the current larger grilled BMWs I think the G05 X5 looks ace and it dated the prior X5 instantly. It looks fresh, sculpted and aggressive. The prior model while still being handsome now also looks a bit soft, tame and old in comparison.

The new Z4 looks very generic to me, it has lost it's unique look.

+1 to all.

[supra93]

[155MPH]

Originally Posted by Colinv6

So that clear part will be where the front plate will go?

I am as confused as you about where a license plate - either US or Euro would go on this front end. If you like the grill, putting a license plate over it makes no sense. If you don't like the grill - you probably aren't buying it anyway. The only place it makes sense is in a state in the US or other places where there is no requirement for a front license plate. It's a shame as I actually like it. After the initial shock wore off that is. It's the same with the grill on the Audi range of cars. When I first saw it I could only think of a pig snout but over time it grew on me.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by snareman

It is definitely better in black, mostly just because they are a little more hidden.

I think black grills will be the thing.. It blends in and if you think about it, all manufactures that utilize this Predator-style grille, uses black plastic.

And to punish people who don't get the higher tier package, BMW will leave those in chrome, just to shame them

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I think black grills will be the thing.. It blends in and if you think about it, all manufactures that utilize this Predator-style grille, uses black plastic.

And to punish people who don't get the higher tier package, BMW will leave those in chrome, just to shame them

If the production grills will be deeply recessed I want the framing to be in a contrasting color to the grill inserts to give the nose that jet engine intake look ( as the white model ) but if the frames and grills are near level with a flat transition between inserts and frame then black surrounds are better.

[TTG]

Originally Posted by supra93

+1