[dima_pa]

R.I.P. Dre. Legend of b58 community.

[Info@mad-us.com]

RIP. Truly a sad story.

[TractionControlDelete]

Damn. Rest easy Dre 🕊️

[peelerec]

Good riddance. If you’re street racing like an idiot and putting others at risk, the least amount of punishment is his own doing. IMO.

[aidanmurphy]

It's very sad that a life was lost but what do you expect running on the street like that, putting others at risk. It was only a matter of time

Not to mention no cage, no harness... Really

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by peelerec

Good riddance. If you’re street racing like an idiot and putting others at risk, the least amount of punishment is his own doing. IMO.

Come on, what kind of post is this? A 25-year-old has passed away. From what I know, he wasn’t a criminal or a drug dealer, just a young guy who made the mistake of street racing.

It’s a tragic situation, and no one should be driving at those speeds on public roads. It’s dangerous for everyone involved. This could have been even worse if he’d harmed innocent bystanders, and thankfully, that didn’t happen.

I completely agree that street racing like that should never happen, but saying “good riddance” is just disrespectful. He has friends, and maybe even family members, on this forum.

[peelerec]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Come on, what kind of post is this? A 25-year-old has passed away. From what I know, he wasn’t a criminal or a drug dealer, just a young guy who made the mistake of street racing.

It’s a tragic situation, and no one should be driving at those speeds on public roads. It’s dangerous for everyone involved. This could have been even worse if he’d harmed innocent bystanders, and thankfully, that didn’t happen.

I completely agree that street racing like that should never happen, but saying “good riddance” is just disrespectful. He has friends, and maybe even family members, on this forum.

I understand the sentiment and “disrespect” of my comment, it may be that I’m slightly autistic and don’t fully empathize. However, if I were to get into accident at the track and pass, I also would tell others to not care. It is my own doing of voluntarily being in a certain type of environment. At least going to the track I mainly only endanger myself and not a passenger or the general public / innocent bystanders. Which is why I say good riddance for those voluntarily choosing to endanger others at there own pleasure. Same goes for those who are involved in street takeovers / slideshows.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by peelerec

I understand the sentiment and “disrespect” of my comment, it may be that I’m slightly autistic and don’t fully empathize. However, if I were to get into accident at the track and pass, I also would tell others to not care. It is my own doing of voluntarily being in a certain type of environment. At least going to the track I mainly only endanger myself and not a passenger or the general public / innocent bystanders. Which is why I say good riddance for those voluntarily choosing to endanger others at there own pleasure. Same goes for those who are involved in street takeovers / slideshows.

completely agree with the way of thinking with street vs track. no one should be driving like that on the streets

[whofelt]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Come on, what kind of post is this? A 25-year-old has passed away. From what I know, he wasn’t a criminal or a drug dealer, just a young guy who made the mistake of street racing.

It’s a tragic situation, and no one should be driving at those speeds on public roads. It’s dangerous for everyone involved. This could have been even worse if he’d harmed innocent bystanders, and thankfully, that didn’t happen.

I completely agree that street racing like that should never happen, but saying “good riddance” is just disrespectful. He has friends, and maybe even family members, on this forum.

I'm going to have to agree with peelerec, however, he was a danger and that danger is now gone. I guess I can say we're safer now than before.

[skroonigan]

Originally Posted by aidanmurphy

Not to mention no cage, no harness... Really

I struggle with understanding how a roll cage would change the outcome. Sure the car would be more intact, but without a helmet you'll likely have round metal tubes do you in vs stamped sheet metal.

[Seer501]

I do not condone street racing. There are a lot of people that have senselessly lost their lives to street racing & takeovers. With that said, I do not know of a single person that drives a sports car with performance mods that has not put themselves in a dangerous situation. The vast majority of users on this site, including myself, could have just as easily been this guy….not necessarily street racing, just pushing the limits. May God watch over all of us & may this young man rest in peace.

[AshtonPJT]

Originally Posted by Seer501

I do not condone street racing. There are a lot of people that have senselessly lost their lives to street racing & takeovers. With that said, I do not know of a single person that drives a sports car with performance mods that has not put themselves in a dangerous situation. The vast majority of users on this site, including myself, could have just as easily been this guy….not necessarily street racing, just pushing the limits. May God watch over all of us & may this young man rest in peace.

Someone that actually learned from this rather than being a prick. It does make you think of all the stupid shit that can happen/we’ve done. Dre was an amazing driver, his engine blew causing the tires to be coated in oil there is nothing you can do at this point besides brace and hope for the best outcome sadly this did not happen. Honestly with how bad the car is damaged it’s hard to say if a full cage would of helped. I’ve seen cars blow tires at 200+ and the cage save them with minor injuries but shit happens and we just have to learn from it. This could happen to any of us at any point. I think the biggest lesson learned is that we need to be more safe. At the end of the day he was one of us. Rest easy 1stockf30 glad I was able to talk to you one last time at FL2K

[AshtonPJT]

Originally Posted by skroonigan

I struggle with understanding how a roll cage would change the outcome. Sure the car would be more intact, but without a helmet you'll likely have round metal tubes do you in vs stamped sheet metal.

He had a Helmet on fell off during the crash, a roll cage with proper harness and seat would of held him in a secure spot while everything else happened around him, would of it saved his life there is no way to tell but he would of had a higher chance of survival

[dustwhyn]

Originally Posted by AshtonPJT

Someone that actually learned from this rather than being a prick. It does make you think of all the stupid shit that can happen/we’ve done. Dre was an amazing driver, his engine blew causing the tires to be coated in oil there is nothing you can do at this point besides brace and hope for the best outcome sadly this did not happen. Honestly with how bad the car is damaged it’s hard to say if a full cage would have helped. I’ve seen cars blow tires at 200+ and the cage save them with minor injuries but shit happens and we just have to learn from it. This could happen to any of us at any point. I think the biggest lesson learned is that we need to be more safe. At the end of the day he was one of us. Rest easy 1stockf30 glad I was able to talk to you one last time at FL2K

I absolutely think that with a SFI 25.5 cage (The minimum he should have been running and been forced to install by the owners of the track that he frequented) and other certified safety equipment (Helmet, HANS, a proper seat and not that garbage Kevmannz carbon fiber one that broke during the crash, and proper harnesses and restraints) he would have walked away from that. I’ve seen far worse, on the street and at higher speeds and they walked away because of proper safety equipment. Banged up, sure, but they got to keep their lives.

[Dan B]

If he was really moving as fast as claimed, 160+, and hit a pole sideways, nothing is going to save him.

There is a reason, besides not risking the lives of people who are not involved, is tracks are designed to minimize damage during high speed crashes. That is why you do not have random light poles trackside.

It is a shame someone lost their life. I can remember being young and feeling invincible. I was lucky to have survived my youth.

Condolences to his family. Maybe someone takes it from the street to the track and there is at least a small positive in an otherwise senseless death.

[dustwhyn]

Originally Posted by Dan B

If he was really moving as fast as claimed, 160+, and hit a pole sideways, nothing is going to save him.

There is a reason, besides not risking the lives of people who are not involved, is tracks are designed to minimize damage during high speed crashes. That is why you do not have random light poles trackside.

It is a shame someone lost their life. I can remember being young and feeling invincible. I was lucky to have survived my youth.

Condolences to his family. Maybe someone takes it from the street to the track and there is at least a small positive in an otherwise senseless death.

I've seen people crash on the street doing well above that with cars that were built to withstand the crashes. They absolutely ended up in the hospital, but they lived, which is the point of a properly built cage (Not a cage that anyone can just buy and bolt in) and all of the safety gear that goes along with it.

[Dan B]

Originally Posted by Dan B

If he was really moving as fast as claimed, 160+, and hit a pole sideways, nothing is going to save him.

Originally Posted by dustwhyn

I've seen people crash on the street doing well above that with cars that were built to withstand the crashes. They absolutely ended up in the hospital, but they lived, which is the point of a properly built cage (Not a cage that anyone can just buy and bolt in) and all of the safety gear that goes along with it.

Please note the qualifier in my post.

Please keep in mind, it hit a pole sideways at a reported 160mph.The car was split in two and the drivers seat. A FIA spec cage would not have saved him.

But lets pretend he had a FIA spec cage you would find in a rally car and it did not understandably fail. You have to deal with the staggering amount of energy when the car decelerates from 160 to 0 in basically no time.

You now how to deal with things like internal decapitation, trauma to internal organs, etc..

[drive_to_survive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPU0xeodHpI

this is the channel where I came to know first about 1stockf30 and his crazy build m240i.

RIP.

[AshtonPJT]

Originally Posted by Dan B

Please note the qualifier in my post.

Please keep in mind, it hit a pole sideways at a reported 160mph.The car was split in two and the drivers seat. A FIA spec cage would not have saved him.

But lets pretend he had a FIA spec cage you would find in a rally car and it did not understandably fail. You have to deal with the staggering amount of energy when the car decelerates from 160 to 0 in basically no time.

You now how to deal with things like internal decapitation, trauma to internal organs, etc..

The car didn’t go from 160-0 it continued to spin and roll for hundreds of feet

[overcooked]

I am glad nobody else was hurt. Hope this dude lives next to a track in his next life.

[dustwhyn]

Originally Posted by AshtonPJT

The car didn’t go from 160-0 it continued to spin and roll for hundreds of feet

This. I stand firmly on the viewpoint that SFI certified equipment would have saved his life.

[Dan B]

[QUOTE=AshtonPJT;31629975]The car didn’t go from 160-0 it continued to spin and roll for hundreds of feet

Before or after the pole cut in half? Do you understand the energy required to actually cut a car in half? Cages help but they are not some magical protection system. And as I said, there are other items to think about. Like the forces on your body.