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I'm not sure every gen release should make prior owners sell and buy new. It's really probably every 2 gens that a M owner will see a big difference. E36 to e46 had a minimal difference IMO, E92 was its own oddly timed wonderful beast. F80 and G80 are pretty much identical and similar IMO. The next gen beyond G8x will likely have the most surprising changes. |
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05-28-2020, 02:00 PM | #69 | |
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As for the track I suspect the G8X will bury the F8X with the added traction/grip from AWD, functional aero the significant power bump plus advances in suspension technology. It is likely the last pure ICE M3 and BMW will make it count. I think it will be as big of a leap forward in capabilities on and off track as any new M3 before it. |
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05-28-2020, 03:15 PM | #72 | |
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It is very likely the AWD AT will help on the street and in inclement weather, elsewhere let’s just see.
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All the “aero” appendages you see on the M cars merely reduce lift. And only begin take effect over 100mph or so. The biggest improvements in lap times from generation to generation, comparing stock to stock, usually come from better tire technology (and sizes), increases in axle width, transmission efficiency, and finally the powerband area under the curve. Suspension technology hasn’t changed much in the land of bimmers, except perhaps the non-adjustable fancy shocks on the 330i track pack. EDC is not a game changer and other companies do suspensions much better than BMW these days. (That is why I’m about to put an Ohlins R/T on my car).
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05-28-2020, 04:43 PM | #75 | |
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I suspect the G8X will stick like no other standard M3 using the same tires ( I agree that most grip improvements come from tires but that doesn’t make functional aero or suspension insignificant). The result will be a car that allows for higher corner entry speed and AWD will generate higher exit speed than an F80. Add the extra hp for straight line speed and I believe it will bury the F80. Last edited by solstice; 05-28-2020 at 04:48 PM.. |
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BMW better have given it bigger brakes to carry that extra AWD weight around. More weight equals on the brakes sooner which means that fancy aero (which I'm not quite sure it's going to have) has even a smaller window of effect. I'll give you that I'm sure the AWD will help put that extra power down sooner. Let's see what the weight penalty is going to be first. |
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Not saying the G8X will be as fast but there sure is potential with what we know so far to be significantly faster than the F8X. |
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I'm impressed that you're able to make so many claims about the aero of this car while it's been mostly covered in camo. Again, I'm sure this generation will be faster. That's at least one thing BMW has managed to do over generations. There's just too much we don't know about it yet to start making huge claims. |
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Agreed that we are speculating on how much impact it will or not have since we don’t know. |
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