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It all comes down to cost of ownership, and EVs outpace ICE cars between 8-10X when it comes to money coming out of your pocket.
EVs are perfect as grocery-getter, kid-hauler and commuting vehicles - basically 95% of the types of things a car is for. EVs are far more efficient in traffic than on the highway, and even there, they're still 5-8 times less costly to run (vs 10-12x in the city). Leno had a great comparison between ICE cars and horses - Just because cars replaced horses didn't mean horses and horseback riding went away. In fact, there are still about 1/2 as many horses as there were 100 years ago and they lead a MUCH better life today than before the transition took place. They went from a being primarily a working animal to a sporting animal. Same with ICE - they're not going to go away, and the one that will remain will be enjoyed by their owners and cared for far better. Source: we're driving an EV 95% of the time and I take my family out in the 'silly loud car' for drives every now and then when I feel like shifting gears and thrashing it through turns making my wife and kid giggle, only to realized that I spend as much money on gas in an afternoon as it would cost to charge the car for 2 months. |
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Each, what you call conspiracies, proved to be factual. All of them. Try some different research avenues because you're in the weeds, along with millions of other trusting souls. Cheers.
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Can't believe I just had to read four consecutive posts about how only the EV MPGe figure-generators are the people who cook their books.
In a 5 minute google search I could probably compile a blatantly-obvious list of bad actors in the oil/petroleum industry. These companies have embedded themselves to the highest levels; this industry has apparently brainwashed the masses into thinking they're looking out for the public's best interest. Who was the biggest advocate for vapes to replace cigarettes? Marlboro's investment team, behind the scenes. MPG and MPGe are both a racket and it's asinine to think one is not because you like the torque-generating method of ICE or EV. But they're all we have to judge publicly.
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I did not say I would debate someone from Stop Oil. I said I would love to debate someone who was not radicalized. Stop Oil wants to end oil use yesterday with no viable alternative. A rational person thinks, at some point we will run out of oil and we should start working towards an alternative in a responsible manner. See the difference? Please actually read what I say without a preconceived prejudice. It is coloring your interpretation of what I am saying. Quote:
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If they were written prior to 1983 they are very out of date. I would suggest finding peer reviewed scientific journals written with today's understanding of science. Our understanding of the universe and technology has changed quite a bit in the last 41 years.
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Iykyk: In Lisa the Iconoclast, Lisa discovers that town founder Jebediah Springfield was a secret criminal con artist, and that the townsfolk’s lives are a lie. Realizing this is an important discovery, she desperately tries to get the townsfolk to listen to her. But they meet her with hostility, apathy, disbelief, and partisanship and she fails to get through to them. Ultimately, she realizes the town is so far gone that perhaps it’s better for them to be lied to by con artists, and she keeps the secret to herself.
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Humans are doing what they've always done. Doesn't matter if it's 2000bc or 500ad or 2020ad. Also, the most recent science/knowledge/stats is the most incorrect, corrupted, bought, twisted type. Our "science" on food & health is atrocious; purely propagated to support certain industry with no concern of actual health. Modern medicine is drug dealers pushing, and quite effectively - their drugs cause more disease which necesitates more drugs. It's sad how many educated (read: indoctrinated) people don't see what's happening. Worse, they think EV is going to "save the planet"
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Resources are scarce and only getting more scarce. Most of the current oil execs won't be alive to see that, so instead they attack anything that would harm their current dollar, and the ICE-hugging masses eat it up. Just as any EV-fanatic touts EVs as being the savior of the planet, which I also disagree with. Ouroboros, everyone's eating their own tail. I've also just come to realize that rage-baiting in a subforum like this is an excellent way to artificially inflate your subforum Rep score. Echo chamber gon' echo.
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That, and there really was no significant electricity available late 19th century rural life. Electricity was barely even a utility in the late 1800's in populated areas. And please don't try to contradict me on this, I live in a house that predates the invention of electrical generation. Last edited by Efthreeoh; 04-20-2024 at 06:21 AM.. |
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