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I post in MB world in the c43 section, a lot of the harsh riding complaints can be fixed with a smaller diameter wheel (id do 18). I know the craze is increase the diameter, but the ride quality suffers.
That and the fact that the stock tires are run flats. Put some decent michelins on there (ps4s), on 18" and you're good to go. |
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I have 19" michelins on my C43 and it rides better than with the OEM RF, but C43's have negative camber and tires wear out in aprox 10k miles.
what I like better on C43: -amg sport exhaust, great exhaust with the open / closed switch -leather interior -seats are more comfortable than in M340 -overall exterior design looks classier than the toyotesque M340 What I like better on the M340: -suspension -technology- Idrive 7 is far superior to MB, also the adaptive cruise and auto pilot are better than the MB -space, it feels roomier than the MB -engine, is faster than the C43 The C43 has 19 months left on the lease, I cannot wait that long to get rid of it, I am waiting to see the new C class this year or the new BMW M440 GC, then I will put the C43 on swapalease, by the way, there are a lot of C43's on swapalease, for some reason a lot of people change their minds and want to get rid of them before lease expires. Last edited by paulbazoV2; 02-05-2020 at 03:08 PM.. |
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OP - Whats wrong with the M2C as a daily? In Efficient mode, its very well behaved and relatively calm.
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The M340 is a sweet spot. It’s 90% the outgoing M3 and honestly it’s the 90% where you find yourself driving. The best car I think BMW has put out since my e90 530 sport stick. That was simply sublime. The M340 isn’t trying to be a track car... but I’m not driving on the track. It’s a car that promises to be easy to live with. Comfortable, plenty fast, very nice handling. A bit understated. I even went away from the silver, gray and black. The tanzanite blue with the black rims at dusk is stunning. A perfect car to go out to dinner. The cognac interior is beautiful. It’s not a Bentley.... but who cares. It’s not Bentley money either. Not close. Live with it for 3 or 4 years. Think the ownership experience will be better than the Mercedes. They are both great cars. But the BMW, to me, is the more ‘honest’ of the two. The Mercedes just appears to be trying too hard. |
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In my world, unfortunately I need 4 doors and true civility. I have my eye firmly on an M2 Comp when that's no longer a requirement.
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You're spot on, and the honesty of the BMW called back to me and after my autocross day the decision was easy. I was shocked at how the car spoke to me even with the electric steering and the ZF8. I could still feel everything I needed to through the chassis itself. Maybe I'll regret losing that deeper connection through mechanical steering and gearbox, but I also know I can always get that back with an M2 Comp in the future or something older and more purposeful like a classic E46 M3.
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02-06-2020, 10:25 PM | #96 |
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I went from a 2017 C43 to a M340xi.
I could not wait to get out of my Benz. I’ve had 2 C63s (2011, 2014), a C400 and then the C43. C43 has a very comfortable interior, great seats, and a well laid out interior. The build quality is very so-so. Rattles, pieces move easily with a little pressure, although I was blessed with very little squeaks. The exhaust is neat, but tiresome and obnoxious after a year or so. Burmeester was decent, and the steering was probably the best aspect of the car. The car also has decent curb appeal. Worst? The ride. What a joke. Honestly, not worthy of the brand, IMO. Crashes easily with poor damping no matter the setting. Jarring, and just plain tiresome. I have a 2017 Z06 that rides better and would find any opportunity to drive it over the C43. The Conti tires are a disaster, and expect to blow them out and bend some rims. The 2019 I drove improved somewhat, and the dealer was willing to put Pilot 4S tires on, but in the end , I felt the BMW did everything just a little better, and with far more refinement. The ride is a huge improvement, and also puts the S5 to shame which was actually a little worse than the improved 2019 C43. The build quality was a significant step above and pushing on the center console, where my C43 could be moved, the BMW was granite-like. In closing I will say this: if the C43 is a car that is driven as a treat, let’s say 500-800 miles a month, you will enjoy. But as a daily driver, you will come to resent it as it beats you up around town just doing the mundane, and it will drown out most of the enjoyment of that country road that you carve on the weekend. |
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Mercedes started it first... changing their ideals in an attempt to win over BMW customers. All of the sudden, their ads were bragging about how "sporty" Mercedes had become. Sadly, BMW took the bait and began making the ultimate driving machine more comfortable. Many have said in doing so that BMW has lost its way. People drive differently. Years ago BMW and Mercedes customers were very different types of drivers and each car was the better fit for them. It is interesting how marketing and sales has caused these tote great manufactures towards each other. |
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You do have a point there NewM3driver, in the days of the E36/E46, aka my foray into BMW's. You'd be hard pressed to find someone shopping for a 3er looking for a C class. Today, all that's changed and we have this overlap.
I didn't even knew Mercedes had changed their formula and started making sporty cars until recently since I never paid much attention to the brand. In my BMW days, we had zero interest in Mercedes or even Audi. Usually when someone got rid of their Bimmer it was for an affordable 911. Fast forward a decade and all that has changed.
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I was considering a C43 but I've heard it's not a great daily (confirmed above too). Also think the 3 series looks better.
Only thing I'm worried about w my build is not speccing w M adaptive suspension. Hoping it won't be too stiff for daily use since I live in the city. I know that was a major complaint about the C43's. Now that my VIN is assigned I can't change my build anymore. Of course I waited until the last minute before deciding but thought I'd spend the extra $ on an MPE and summer tires/rims set up
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The Mercs melted rear end and chintz fest interior are just wrong plus a column mounted gear selector? Nah.
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Funny enough, I actually think BMW was the first automaker to use an electronic shifter in the E65 Bangle 7 and it was actually column mounted!
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Merc make some nice cars but for me the c class isn't one of them.
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I agree, its fine and it frees up space. None of the electronic shifters really feel premium anyways so I don't have a problem with it and have easily adjusted to it.
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For me the control interfaces of a car matter, for others they matter less or not at all, which is fine.
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Yes , true. But most people who actually own or lease one get use to it and like it. Before leasing this C43 , the column shifter was one of the things I did not like, but after a few weeks I found it to be great, smart location. I used to think that the shifter had to be in the center console, probably because in the past when sport cars had manual transmission it had to be in the center console, and bigger non sporty automatic cars had in the column, even some american cars with manual transmision and bench seats had it in the column. Later, for an american car to be sporty it had to have bucket seats and center console shifters.
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