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      03-13-2019, 05:03 PM   #23
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Lulz.

Actually, BMW really needs to incorporate Valet mode. Limits the speed to 35 mph and 0 to 60 in 10 seconds.
you realize 0-60 would be infinity in this scenario right?
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Useless video. Surely, the advertising agency could have done a better job than waste money on this piece of content
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The real question is when will the 0-60 time be "saturated".

As in when will enough is enough!?
When rocketman Elon Musk says so.
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Someone please tell me that Iím wrong, and that BMW didnít screw it up in the video. (In reference to the power to weight ratio): ďthe smaller the ratio, the faster the car will beĒ. Ummm.. so the lower the power, and the greater the weight, the car will be faster?? What kind of SUPERMAGIC does BMW wield? 😂😂😂 Either I heard the video wrong, or BMW didnít really put much oversight into this video.
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This was far better than the useless new 3 series commercial.
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probably the most useless performance measure of a car.

aero? lol. power, traction(tires/awd), weight, transmission (dct), and suspension (squat) are the key factors.
0 to 60 is important on momentum tracks. if you are coming off a lot of sharp turns then you spend a lot of time accelerating. not a useless metric at all
Interesting. Cars with the same 0-60 often have very different 5-60 times which I would think is more important as you aren't coming out of a turn at 0 mph. Actually 50-100 maybe even more so.
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And with this article, every past BMW with RWD and a 6MT value just increased.

I'm almost at the point of not looking forward to the future anymore in the auto industry. They're simply not making the cars that I want to buy anymore, but now I'm in the minority. In a few years time were going to have have a new generation of drivers that never knew life without the iPhone and connectivity to Matrix in it. This article is spot on and I think it's sad a truth.
Yeah, we all have a redline. For some, it will be the loss of the manual transmission. For me, the redline was when Porsche and BMW moved away from hydraulic steering. I don't even look at Porsches and BMWs from after 2012'ish.
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And with this article, every past BMW with RWD and a 6MT value just increased.

I'm almost at the point of not looking forward to the future anymore in the auto industry. They're simply not making the cars that I want to buy anymore, but now I'm in the minority. In a few years time were going to have have a new generation of drivers that never knew life without the iPhone and connectivity to Matrix in it. This article is spot on and I think it's sad a truth.
Yeah, we all have a redline. For some, it will be the loss of the manual transmission. For me, the redline was when Porsche and BMW moved away from hydraulic steering. I don't even look at Porsches and BMWs after around 2012.
Hence the reason why I keep my F10 M5. Hydraulic steering, plus no AWD system to kill the feeling.

Although I will say I still like the new 992 despite EPS and all turbo motors on those cars.
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The most useless performance measure is the top speed, IMO.
Not in Germany
Except that cars manufactured in Germany ie BMW Mercedes and Porsche are speed limited to 250 kmph or just over 155 mph so what does it matter? Couple that with the fact that there are very few "unlimited" sections of the autobahn left and groups within Germany is actually proposing limiting those areas as well. Yeah top speed dosen't matter.
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0 to 60 is important on momentum tracks. if you are coming off a lot of sharp turns then you spend a lot of time accelerating. not a useless metric at all
That's not 0.
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The most useless performance measure is the top speed, IMO.
From now on , your topspeed limiter is set to 60 mph !
In Europe from 2020 or something ALL Volvos will be limited to 112mph

Sadly it's all coming
I have hit 100 in my car maybe twice. No love lost here. That being said, I also don't track it; someone that does has a good argument. For a person like me, no reason to travel 100 on public roads...
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Aerosynamic takes real part only in some certain speed
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Lol, limited to 35mph means 0 to 60 in forever as it will never get there :
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you realize 0-60 would be infinity in this scenario right?
Dammit you two lol. 0 to 60 in 10 seconds is rate of acceleration, while 35 is the limit. They both work without hitting infinite state, which in science, infinite means "i have no clue what the answer is"

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Maybe in the States.
Welcome to Germany and say that again!
You'll wish the limiter wasn't there once you get taken over while driving 257 on the cluster.
Preach!

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In Europe from 2020 or something ALL Volvos will be limited to 112mph

Sadly it's all coming
I heard about this....why? Was a law past in volvo land?

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Even in Germany.What you're gonna do with 160mph+ speed? Even in best conditions you can only reach those speeds just for seconds.
It's hard as heck to hit 164. I did it during clear, sunny spring day. Light traffic. Was scary AF. Car seemed to float a bit. Maybe at night, with less traffic, would be better. It's fun to hit though...once you get past having a brown spot on your underewear

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Interesting. Cars with the same 0-60 often have very different 5-60 times which I would think is more important as you aren't coming out of a turn at 0 mph. Actually 50-100 maybe even more so.
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That's not 0.
Well, its zero if we are talking velocity.

Unfortunately, its not that easy to get 5-60 times, 25-100, 50-100, etc online. Well, rolling start ain't bad, but I've not had a rolling start experience. It's either been from dead stop, or coming off a turn, so anywhere from mid 20's to 80's depending on the curve.
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The real question is when will the 0-60 time be "saturated".

As in when will enough is enough!?
When rocketman Elon Musk says so.
New Tesla roadster

0-60 in 1.9 seconds

8.8 1/4 mile

250mph top speed

620 mile range

$200k

I can't wait to see that thing shame hypercars and even megacars for a supercar price
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New Tesla roadster

0-60 in 1.9 seconds

8.8 1/4 mile

250mph top speed

620 mile range

$200k

I can't wait to see that thing shame hypercars and even megacars for a supercar price
I am not being facetious here - is all that available instantaneously? And how many times? I think "insane mode" currently requires a 10 minute battery "warm up" and also severely shrinks the range associated with that particular charge on a Model S.

I worked with some guys that had the Model S in my past - there's no doubt those cars were really fast. But it was kind of like being in an elevator. Do you get enjoyment out of a fast elevator ride? It is hard to tell that you've moved a great distance quickly because there's no real sound...or anything to be honest. It's just not as...theatric? Involving? Fun? At least to me anyway.

Mr. Musk has even described the automobile of the future as mobile washing machines...aka, appliances. No thank you - I won't be buying one, ever.
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In re: to the video itself, I wonder why BMW didn't address the deliberate under-tired nature of the recent M cars.

Anyone with an F80 knows from experience than a wider tire in the rear is going to help acceleration - so why didn't BMW fit a wider tire stock?

And then there's the elephant in the room...literally...the weight of modern cars is a direct opponent to performance, including 0-60 times. Why don't these Germans go on a diet?
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New Tesla roadster

0-60 in 1.9 seconds

8.8 1/4 mile

250mph top speed

620 mile range

$200k

I can't wait to see that thing shame hypercars and even megacars for a supercar price
I am not being facetious here - is all that available instantaneously? And how many times? I think "insane mode" currently requires a 10 minute battery "warm up" and also severely shrinks the range associated with that particular charge on a Model S.

I worked with some guys that had the Model S in my past - there's no doubt those cars were really fast. But it was kind of like being in an elevator. Do you get enjoyment out of a fast elevator ride? It is hard to tell that you've moved a great distance quickly because there's no real sound...or anything to be honest. It's just not as...theatric? Involving? Fun? At least to me anyway.

Mr. Musk has even described the automobile of the future as mobile washing machines...aka, appliances. No thank you - I won't be buying one, ever.
Yes The ludicrous plus mode requires a battery warm up if the battery isn't already warm from a short drive. On that mode the 4900lb model s does 0-60 in 2.4 sec or less if you calculate using roll out like the car mags do.

No it doesn't severely shrink the range, the youngster who runs the Tesla racing channel on YouTube has many videos of back to back runs on the same charge on the street and track, races are short so it doesn't consume that much power.

Let's not get crazy thinking it's silent like an elevator. There is plenty of sound, road, tires, wind and the whine of the electric motor which to some is enough. Sure there is no exhaust note, which is important and I love a great sounding exhaust like the next car guy but (1) has bmw really been impressing you with their turbo exhaust notes? And (2) if you do like bmws exhaust notes couldn't you just pipe it in with a speaker like bmw does?

As battery tech improves weight will be reduced and the electric sports cars will become even better at the track. Compared to the decades of r&d into the internal combustion engine battery r&d is in its infant stage, there is a lot more exciting things to come.

Back on topic, I think the Tesla and the gtr prove that traction can overcome weight for a solid 0-60. That's what's so exciting about the g80 m3, I'm expecting we'll see sub 3 sec 0-60s from it in short order.
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Given that many of BMW's current lineup of cars are achieving such good 0-60 times because they have much more grip due to their AWD/4WD setup, you'd think that would be mentioned as a factor.

However, what I love most about this video is that they pose two questions that you didn't ask at the beginning of the video:
  1. Where is the limit?
  2. Or is there a limit?

... then they go on to comprehensively fail to address those questions.
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They could have gone a little bit further to confuse people more by explaining that a heavier car will actually provide better grip than a lighter car (in general) due to the weight forcing the tyres into the ground. That, plus weight distribution - having the weight forced into the tyres that are providing drive. Another curveball is that even with a 4WD system, the laws of momentum mean that as the car lifts its nose, more weight/power needs to be sent to the rear so the magic '50/50' weight distribution doesn't necessarily help either. Let's face it, this video could have gone on forever. I feel like the guy from engineering explained should do a follow-up
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