[nozydog]

Originally Posted by b2nvs2001

Just to clarify so there's no misunderstanding.

The F30 is a great car. My wife and I love it as a daily driver.

Maybe I'm being nostalgic but is it better the E30 325i, E36 328i m-sport, E46 M3 and E90 M3 that I, to this day, truly love and remember, all for different reasons? To me, it isn't - it's a yawn - forgettable. I also put my money where my mouth is and continue to keep my 7 year old "ancient" E90 after test driving the latest M3 with MT.

But that's a story for another time...

Anyway - I'm sure I've bored the lot of you so I'll keep quiet from now.

No please don't keep quiet, it's great hearing everyone's opinions on the bimmers they've owned. The build quality of my e90 & e92 was bulletproof and they were great drivers too... sadly I've not owned any older BMWs so I can't comment! The quality definitely took a drop on the F30, though they did pull that back to a degree with the LCI... I'm hoping the new car will improve this area still further, together with the drive (obviously)

[nozydog]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

Completely agree with you about the lack of manual. It's sickening to think that BMW is releasing a much more capable car in the G20 and then axing the manual. Hate it.

However, the E90 was the heaviest 3 series ever and it will stay that way for a while. The F30 was lighter and the G20 is even lighter still. The last 5 series that was even close to the G20 in size was the American E28 from 81-88. All subsequent ones were longer than the F30. I'm not saying I don't like small cars, but cars are so much safer these days. For my daily driver, I want something safe and fun.

Also, you feel weight, not size. Having an extra inch or two in the back of your car CAN'T be felt if the car weighs the same or less. Having a bumper that sticks out an extra inch in the front can't be felt. If you like your E90 so much, there's no reason you couldn't have as much fun in a car slightly larger yet much lighter. Of course, the F30 had terrible suspension tuning and steering compared to the E90, but that's another conversation.

Yes weight is more important, as long as the G20 doesn't grow more than an inch in length. And it actually shouldn't, as the G30 only grew an inch (26mm) over the old 5er... so things do look promising! And yes the last 5er to be as small as a (current) 3 series was indeed the e28 of 30+ years ago so we are going back to when ALL cars were much much smaller!

Talking about the 'no manual' issue, I think they're just paving the way for the fully automatic EVs of the future and trying to bring us round gently to the fact that manual cars will very soon be a thing of the past!

I'm really looking forward to the G20... I was interested in the X4 before we actually saw it (and the pricing) but I'll get an awful lot more for my money in a G20, as well as a lower slung, sportier stance and feel...

[paliknight]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

All major cars are tested like this. Especially cars made to run well in many different environments.

I was being sarcastic since they still have issues.

[Germanauto]

It is sad that the MT is disappearing in the famed 3-series. This is the car that essentially invented the RWD, 50/50 wt distribution, straight 6 engine sport saloon. Manual transmission is inherent in the character of the car!

Anyhow, my E90 is an Auto and is plenty fun to drive so it doesn't bother me as much as you guys who have lived with the MT.

I was carving some corners in the mountains near Seattle today (until a stupid a$$ Prius spoiled the fun) and boy the F30 cannot replicate the feeling of this car. I hope the G20 brings back the same joy to the 3-series name.

[jackaleyess]

Just launch it already. Dafuq need to be so discreet? Its not like BMW will surprise us with any revolution design anyway.

[UnfoundLegend]

Will it have autopilot?

[RPiM5]

Oct 4th can't come soon enough. I'm excited to hear the specs on the new M340i.

[MassBimmer]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Oct 4th can't come soon enough. I'm excited to hear the specs on the new M340i.

Wait, is it definitely being unveiled Oct 4th?

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by MassBimmer

Wait, is it definitely being unveiled Oct 4th?

Yeah that's the 1st day of the Paris Autoshow. But we'll probably get the full leaked images on the 3rd or 2nd.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by UnfoundLegend

Will it have autopilot?

Hopefully at least traffic jam assist

[nozydog]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Yeah that's the 1st day of the Paris Autoshow. But we'll probably get the full leaked images on the 3rd or 2nd.

I’d hope we see it even before October! Most ‘official’ unveilings are preceded by online pics a week or so beforehand

We could see it next week....

[ADM]

Unless I missed it appearing somewhere -- Any word on G-20 3-series diesel sedan for the US?

[Booey1979]

Is the no Manual trans confirmed???? I’m genuinely bummed. I thought bmw was going to stick with manual models for the enthusiast crowd.

[OriginalFake]

Originally Posted by Booey1979

Is the no Manual trans confirmed???? I’m genuinely bummed. I thought bmw was going to stick with manual models for the enthusiast crowd.

Yes. On the larger engines. And not just in the US.

[Law]

Originally Posted by MassBimmer

Wait, is it definitely being unveiled Oct 4th?

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Yeah that's the 1st day of the Paris Autoshow. But we'll probably get the full leaked images on the 3rd or 2nd.

The official unveil is scheduled for October 2nd.

The actual Paris Motor Show opens its doors to the public on October 4th, but normally for auto shows, days before the doors to the public are open, there are industry-related, B2B, and press events, so the G20 3-Series will officially be unveiled on Tuesday.

There will even be a livestream online.
Press release and link to livestream broadcast below:

The all-new BMW 3 Series Sedan
celebrates its world premiere at the
Mondial de l’Automobile 2018 in Paris.
BMW presents the new generation of the sports sedan
alongside a raft of other new models as the international
car show opens its doors on 2 October 2018.

Munich/Paris. The BMW 3 Series Sedan is the Munich-based premium
carmaker’s most successful model range worldwide and embodies the core of
the BMW brand. The world premiere of the seventh-generation sports sedan is
the highlight of the Mondial de l’Automobile 2018 show in Paris. And it will
celebrate its global debut alongside an array of other new models at the press
conference taking place at 9.00 a.m. CET on Tuesday, 2 October 2018. The
venue for the press conference will be BMW’s stand upstairs in Hall 5.
At 4.00 p.m. CET the same day, also at the BMW stand, media representatives
will be given exclusive insights into the design highlights, new technological
features and innovations in the field of connectivity which shape the character of
the new BMW 3 Series Sedan. Chairman of the Board of Management at BMW
AG Harald Krüger, Board members Pieter Nota (Sales and Brand BMW), Klaus
Fröhlich (Development) and Dr Nicolas Peter (Finance), plus a host of experts
from various Development departments will be available for in-depth discussions
about the new BMW 3 Series Sedan under the banner “Get Together – Get Your
Story”.
The Mondial de l’Automobile 2018 is also hosting the show premieres of the
new BMW Z4 and new BMW 8 Series Coupe, and the world premieres of the
fourth-generation BMW X5 and new BMW M5 Competition (fuel consumption
combined: 10.8 – 10.7 l/100 km [26.2 – 26.4 mpg imp]; CO2 emissions
combined: 246 – 243 g/km).
If you cannot make it to Paris, you can catch the world premiere on the BMW
Group live stream at http://www.live.bmwgroup.com/en/live-streaming/