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      12-04-2019, 02:18 PM   #23
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Tax deductions and subsidies can really change the picture in favor of PHEV. Especially since you consider the performance you get with it. I'm sure you're gonna be happy with 330e. With subsidies or tax deductions it appears to be the sweet spot of the range.
Great for company car drivers in the UK (with BIK). For private users who travel a high annual highway mileage, diesel still makes a strong case.
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      12-07-2019, 09:09 AM   #24
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I couldn't get past the 330e performance and silence, so went with the 330e base model.
It does have the Live Cockpit Professional and Connectivity Pack, and the wheels are 17' (versus 16' on the lower engines).
Agree the interior trim is poor, but going up to M-Sport would cost me 11k€ more. Was already exceeding my budget by 10k€ with this one (was supposed to get a Mazda 3).
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      12-07-2019, 09:14 AM   #25
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I couldn't get past the 330e performance and silence, so went with the 330e base model.
It does have the Live Cockpit Professional and Connectivity Pack, and the wheels are 17' (versus 16' on the lower engines).
Agree the interior trim is poor, but going up to M-Sport would cost me 11k more. Was already exceeding my budget by 10k with this one (was supposed to get a Mazda 3).
You made the right choice. 11k for M sport is way to much for what you get with it.
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      12-10-2019, 09:05 PM   #26
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Hi there,

What would you choose? A base "Advantage" 330e with Connectivity Pack (it does include the bigger screens, 17' inch wheels and automatic ac) or a 318d M-Sport (with bigger screens, 18', autofolding mirrors and parking assist)?
I can get both for the same price. Quite curious what would you choose.

Thanks
N i thought auto-folding mirror is standard across the range?
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      12-11-2019, 05:57 AM   #27
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You made the right choice. 11k for M sport is way to much for what you get with it.
Received my car 2 days ago, and am really happy with my choice.
The car with this engine is amazing! Really smooth and fast.
I do miss folding mirrors and parking assist tho.
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      12-11-2019, 06:23 AM   #28
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Received my car 2 days ago, and am really happy with my choice.
The car with this engine is amazing! Really smooth and fast.
I do miss folding mirrors and parking assist tho.
Congratulations. Enjoy it.
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      02-21-2021, 10:24 AM   #29
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Disclaimer: I own a 318d Sport Line with quite a few extras and have done 9000km in the last 3 months with it.

318d automatic has more than enough power for normal and fast paced driving. It will do 225kmh and can cruise at 160kmh on the highway all day at little less than 2500rpm without breaking a sweat. It is very economical. In extremely short distance city driving without caring about consumption you'll get 7.5 l/100km (worst case scenario) from it. On country roads consumption is around 5 liters with normal driving (with eco you'll get even less), and it will do 150-160kmh on highway with 6,5l/100km or 180mkh with 7,5l/100km which is absolutely fantastic. This being said, it's definitely not a sports car. 330e will certainly be more alive on straight-line acceleration because it has more horsepower and electric engine gives it even more boost.

From my experience, day to day driving, it's gonna be the same if you drive a 318d or 330e. Both cars perform adequately for travelling and commuting and 95% of the time the road conditions will make it absolutely irrelevant which of these engines is under the hood.

On the other hand - every time you sit in your car you'll be aware of the look and feel of the cabin. You'll be aware of the shape of your seat. I won't even mention the visual impact of the exterior trim.

In and out, "Advantage" equipment package really looks very poor compared to higher level trims. Fabric seats don't look good and chronically lack back and thigh support. Interior trim is made from cheap-looking plastic, the regular steering wheel doesn't look nice as M-one. Lack of ambient lights inside and out also significantly degrade the overall atmosphere in the car. Smaller 17 wheels on an advantage are nowhere near as nice as 18" wheels on M sport.

Personally, I would rather drive a loaded 318d then 330e, anyday. For the same reason I added more equipment to my 318d than opted for 320d with less equipment.
I've sat in a G20 with an "Advantage" package, and to me it's really a huge step down compared to a loaded Sport Line or an M sport model.

After 3 months and almost 10.000km with the car, I rarely wish for more power as even with this engine I effortlessly move faster than almost all the traffic around me (0-100kmh in 8.3s is faster than most cars on the road in EU). This is mostly because of the 8 speed ZF automatic transmission and the availability of maximum torque from 1500rpm. Combination of these two things really make a 318d much faster than any other 150hp car I've ever driven. I would strongly recommend to take a test drive before ordering to see if it's good enough for you.

On the other hand, if you can squeeze out 3000 to add Sport Line to 330e, maybe that could be the sweet spot for you. I chose diesel primarily because I do A LOT of long-distance high speed highway driving and nothing comes even close to diesels in that territory.

If you have any other questions, I'll be more than happy to answer.
Hi there,

I am also in a decision phase in choosing between 318d and 330e and what you mention helped me a lot. Currently driving a 116d Sport Line 3 door
Here in Greece a G20 318d model with full extras (automatic, M sport, laser, leather, professional screen system, 18 inches, HiFi system extra etc) costs approx. 56k and same specs and equipment for the 320d will cost 63k and this is not my budget
However, the relevant 330e with same specs due to an BMW M Sport offer comes at 58k
My concern is that at the moment there are not enough charging points for electric cars in the country and I may be running an 1850 kg car with a 2 liter engine with reduced performance and increased consumption. Further I am not sure about the 50/50 weight distribution of 330e. Could not find any comments
I was also very concerned about the recent recall of BMW hybrids including the 330e for battery short circuit
So, I am satisfied with your report on the 318d and especially your comment From my experience, day to day driving, it's gonna be the same if you drive a 318d or 330e. Both cars perform adequately for travelling and commuting and 95% of the time the road conditions will make it absolutely irrelevant which of these engines is under the hood
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If you drive in 120km/h the 330e takes 0.60l it has very low cv 0.23 its very efficency.
Could someone translate?
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      02-22-2021, 07:03 AM   #31
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If you drive in 120km/h the 330e takes 0.60l it has very low cv 0.23 its very efficency.
Could someone translate?
I think it means, if you drive at 120km/h, the 330e will use 6 litres of fuel per 100km travelled due to its low cd?

A gallon is circa 4.5 litres, so one can only assume that it is fully charged before setting off, otherwise that's some mighty fine mpg at 80mph 👍🏻

Don't quote me on this though 🤷🏻*♂️
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I think it means, if you drive at 120km/h, the 330e will use 6 litres of fuel per 100km travelled due to its low cd?

A gallon is circa 4.5 litres, so one can only assume that it is fully charged before setting off, otherwise that's some mighty fine mpg at 80mph 👍🏻

Don't quote me on this though 🤷🏻*♂️
Actually a gallon is 3.78 liters, at least it is in the US

By the way seelark, for some reason I'm seeing a lot of illegible characters when I read your posts. Not sure if I'm the only one. It's like when your PC doesn't have the prerequisite font packs to translate certain characters. Strange.

Is it a Brexit thing?
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I think it means, if you drive at 120km/h, the 330e will use 6 litres of fuel per 100km travelled due to its low cd?

A gallon is circa 4.5 litres, so one can only assume that it is fully charged before setting off, otherwise that's some mighty fine mpg at 80mph 👍🏻

Don't quote me on this though 🤷🏻*♂️
Actually a gallon is 3.78 liters, at least it is in the US

By the way seelark, for some reason I'm seeing a lot of illegible characters when I read your posts. Not sure if I'm the only one. It's like when your PC doesn't have the prerequisite font packs to translate certain characters. Strange.

Is it a Brexit thing?
Okay, no doubt the US gallon is the measure against all other global gallons are measured, however I'm sure the OP was in Portugal, and the repeat question came from Basil in Greece ? It's unlikely they will be operating in gallons anyway

Regarding the emojis, I'm using my phone keyboard rather than the app emoji options. I need to find a legend so I know what each one is on the app :

I'll refrain from starting any potential BREXIT debate? I witnessed a recent CV19 vaccine (will/will not/why not) discussion on the F3* forum that went mental to the point punches would have been thrown if possible.
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I'll refrain from starting any potential BREXIT debate? I witnessed a recent CV19 vaccine (will/will not/why not) discussion on the F3* forum that went mental to the point punches would have been thrown if possible.
LOL. Understood. It was my totally random shot at being humorous anyway.
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Actually a gallon is 3.78 liters, at least it is in the US

By the way seelark, for some reason I'm seeing a lot of illegible characters when I read your posts. Not sure if I'm the only one. It's like when your PC doesn't have the prerequisite font packs to translate certain characters. Strange.

Is it a Brexit thing?
Oh Jeezus........don't go down that "Gallon" rabbit hole. The imperial gallon is just odd. But, if you're ordering a beer, you really want an imperial pint instead of a US pint. That is unless the choice of beer is limited to PBR/Miller/Bud.
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Oh Jeezus........don't go down that "Gallon" rabbit hole. The imperial gallon is just odd. But, if you're ordering a beer, you really want an imperial pint instead of a US pint. That is unless the choice of beer is limited to PBR/Miller/Bud.
How about pounds?
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Hi there,

I am also in a “decision phase” in choosing between 318d and 330e and what you mention helped me a lot. Currently driving a 116d Sport Line 3 door
Here in Greece a G20 318d model with full extras (automatic, M sport, laser, leather, professional screen system, 18 inches, HiFi system extra etc) costs approx. 56k and same specs and equipment for the 320d will cost 63k and this is not my budget
However, the relevant 330e with same specs due to an BMW M Sport offer comes at 58k
My concern is that at the moment there are not enough charging points for electric cars in the country and I may be running an 1850 kg car with a 2 liter engine with reduced performance and increased consumption. Further I am not sure about the 50/50 weight distribution of 330e. Could not find any comments
I was also very concerned about the recent recall of BMW hybrids including the 330e for battery short circuit
So, I am satisfied with your report on the 318d and especially your comment “From my experience, day to day driving, it's gonna be the same if you drive a 318d or 330e. Both cars perform adequately for travelling and commuting and 95% of the time the road conditions will make it absolutely irrelevant which of these engines is under the hood”
Best Regards
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You're welcome Basile.

330e makes most sense if you can charge at home and/or at work. And if your daily commute is under 50 kilometers. For this scenario, 330e will save the most money as you don't need to start the gasoline engine at all. BUT, luggage space is more than 20% smaller, and there is a significant weight gain. For me, decreased luggage capacity is a deal breaker. Also, the ride is firmer in the 330e due to increased weight. So M sport 330e would only work with adaptive suspension. On passive dampers, it's far to hard for my taste.

330e to me is best in the touring version as luggage space is much less compromised than in the sedan.

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How about pounds?
Effing COVID............yes, I have too many pounds.......
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