[ricdanger]

Hi there,

What would you choose? A base "Advantage" 330e with Connectivity Pack (it does include the bigger screens, 17' inch wheels and automatic ac) or a 318d M-Sport (with bigger screens, 18', autofolding mirrors and parking assist)?
I can get both for the same price. Quite curious what would you choose.

Thanks

[VipinLJ]

I’d go for the faster car. Which I assume the 330e is?

[DomiGijzen]

318d is powerful enough for normal driving. Don't expect anything sporty.

If these were the options, i would choose depending on use case and best fit engine. The hybrid is very nice if the range fits your use case. Otherwise it will be an expensive 2.0i. The diesel is somehow equal to the 2.0i but off course is more economical on longer distances.

Just my 2 cents.

[BMW 330E M-Performance]

It all depence what you have the car for? Do your country give you 3000 euro back from the goverment for the 330e? and 0 euro for the 318 diesel?
if you have 40-50 kilometers to the job i shud take the hybrid if you have 100-150km to jobb you shud maybe take the diesel.. You can not only think which car is faster , really man In sweden we must pay 3000 euro in tax (3years) if you take diesel and 90 euro (3years) if you take hybrid or electric. I have a bmw M2 2018 before my new 330e , and can say this car is so much better, in many situations..

[SteveinArizona]

Originally Posted by BMW 330E M-Performance

It all depence what you have the car for? Do your country give you 3000 euro back from the goverment for the 330e? and 0 euro for the 318 diesel?
if you have 40-50 kilometers to the job i shud take the hybrid if you have 100-150km to jobb you shud maybe take the diesel.. You can not only think which car is faster , really man In sweden we must pay 3000 euro in tax (3years) if you take diesel and 90 euro (3years) if you take hybrid or electric. I have a bmw M2 2018 before my new 330e , and can say this car is so much better, in many situations..

+1. I agree with these comments but would add another consideration: are you concerned about the environment and your contributions to it? I was which is one of the reasons I bought a 530e. I am not judging you...just throwing out another possible consideration since you didn't give your goals in the op.

[ricdanger]

Actually I do not get any money back from gov here. Yearly tax is 50€ less for the 330 tho.

My weekly travels:
- During the week, 12 km daily commute in the city; can charge at my work and run 100% electric;
- Then, two 50km travels to my hometown. Can charge before each;
- One big trip during the weekend (200Km), where I can start with the car fully charged;

The 330e "Advantage" costs 43000€, 318d M-Sport 48000€.

My main concern with the 318d is the DPF. Will my weekly usage kill it?
Main concern with 330e is the fuel consumption. Will my long travel kill my mileage?
And how about long time reliability?

(Advantage interior trim is a bit bland in comparison with m-sport; seats are cloth, no ambient light and no gloss on the dash)

[SteveinArizona]

Originally Posted by ricdanger

Actually I do not get any money back from gov here. Yearly tax is 50€ less for the 330 tho.

My weekly travels:
- During the week, 12 km daily commute in the city; can charge at my work and run 100% electric;
- Then, two 50km travels to my hometown. Can charge before each;
- One big trip during the weekend (200Km), where I can start with the car fully charged;

The 330e "Advantage" costs 43000€, 318d M-Sport 48000€.

My main concern with the 318d is the DPF. Will my weekly usage kill it?
Main concern with 330e is the fuel consumption. Will my long travel kill my mileage?
And how about long time reliability?

(Advantage interior trim is a bit bland in comparison with m-sport; seats are cloth, no ambient light and no gloss on the dash)

Hard to opine. Your interior is better on the diesel but it costs 5K pounds more. You will get better mileage on your diesel for the long trips but for much of the shorter trips you can drive in pure electric mode on the 330e. The 330e is likely better for the future as cities in your country might start limiting petrol vehicles in city centers as they have started doing elsewhere.

My guess is that the extra cost of the petrol for the longer trips on the 330e won't come close to costing you the extra for the diesel. But, on the other hand, you sit in the car and use the steering wheel every time. So the interior is important. To me, the most important is the MSport steering wheel...that wheel is the reason I chose an MSport.

So I think it comes down, IMHO, to the interior and your willingness to put up with the cheaper interior of the 330e.

[klokan]

Originally Posted by ricdanger

The 330e "Advantage" costs 43000€, 318d M-Sport 48000€.

Can you add 5000 and make 330e more luxury? Or 10000?

Because: 43000, 48000 or 53000 is 10% price difference (compared to the base 48000 you're obviously willing to pay). Not a huge amount for having exactly what you want for a few years. If it's leased, amount you actually pay is smaller. If it's bought, you have better resale value with more expensive car. If (3rd option) you'll have it 10 years, it's important that you enjoy it.

I would buy what I like more, no matter the price (in this price range of course, because you obviously have money to purchase any of these cars). But it's your wallet.

[Calamari]

Disclaimer: I own a 318d Sport Line with quite a few extras and have done 9000km in the last 3 months with it.

318d automatic has more than enough power for normal and fast paced driving. It will do 225kmh and can cruise at 160kmh on the highway all day at little less than 2500rpm without breaking a sweat. It is very economical. In extremely short distance city driving without caring about consumption you'll get 7.5 l/100km (worst case scenario) from it. On country roads consumption is around 5 liters with normal driving (with eco you'll get even less), and it will do 150-160kmh on highway with 6,5l/100km or 180mkh with 7,5l/100km which is absolutely fantastic. This being said, it's definitely not a sports car. 330e will certainly be more alive on straight-line acceleration because it has more horsepower and electric engine gives it even more boost.

From my experience, day to day driving, it's gonna be the same if you drive a 318d or 330e. Both cars perform adequately for travelling and commuting and 95% of the time the road conditions will make it absolutely irrelevant which of these engines is under the hood.

On the other hand - every time you sit in your car you'll be aware of the look and feel of the cabin. You'll be aware of the shape of your seat. I won't even mention the visual impact of the exterior trim.

In and out, "Advantage" equipment package really looks very poor compared to higher level trims. Fabric seats don't look good and chronically lack back and thigh support. Interior trim is made from cheap-looking plastic, the regular steering wheel doesn't look nice as M-one. Lack of ambient lights inside and out also significantly degrade the overall atmosphere in the car. Smaller 17 wheels on an advantage are nowhere near as nice as 18" wheels on M sport.

Personally, I would rather drive a loaded 318d then 330e, anyday. For the same reason I added more equipment to my 318d than opted for 320d with less equipment.
I've sat in a G20 with an "Advantage" package, and to me it's really a huge step down compared to a loaded Sport Line or an M sport model.

After 3 months and almost 10.000km with the car, I rarely wish for more power as even with this engine I effortlessly move faster than almost all the traffic around me (0-100kmh in 8.3s is faster than most cars on the road in EU). This is mostly because of the 8 speed ZF automatic transmission and the availability of maximum torque from 1500rpm. Combination of these two things really make a 318d much faster than any other 150hp car I've ever driven. I would strongly recommend to take a test drive before ordering to see if it's good enough for you.

On the other hand, if you can squeeze out 3000€ to add Sport Line to 330e, maybe that could be the sweet spot for you. I chose diesel primarily because I do A LOT of long-distance high speed highway driving and nothing comes even close to diesels in that territory.

If you have any other questions, I'll be more than happy to answer.

[BMW 330E M-Performance]

Good intressting information up here guys , i was on a long trip with my 330e to Germany , it stop at 0.68l and i drive all the time from 110-200 km/h
If you drive in 120km/h the 330e takes 0.60l it has very low cv 0.23 its very efficency.
Good luck and tell us what you buy

[Calamari]

Originally Posted by BMW 330E M-Performance

Good intressting information up here guys , i was on a long trip with my 330e to Germany , it stop at 0.68l and i drive all the time from 110-200 km/h
If you drive in 120km/h the 330e takes 0.60l it has very low cv 0.23 its very efficency.
Good luck and tell us what you buy

I'm curious what is your consumption at 160 or 180kmh?

[ricdanger]

What about 318d vs 320i?
In terms of reliability and running costs?

[Chuckyarla]

Originally Posted by BMW 330E M-Performance

Good intressting information up here guys , i was on a long trip with my 330e to Germany , it stop at 0.68l and i drive all the time from 110-200 km/h
If you drive in 120km/h the 330e takes 0.60l it has very low cv 0.23 its very efficency.
Good luck and tell us what you buy

What do you mean by 0.6l?

[ricdanger]

Pretty sure he meant 6.0l/100 and 6.8l/100.
It has a photo of the screen with those values.

[Calamari]

Originally Posted by ricdanger

What about 318d vs 320i?
In terms of reliability and running costs?

In terms of reliability, only time will tell. In general, B47 diesel engine is pretty reliable. I don't have much experience with B48 gasoline engine.

In terms of running costs, 318d is much more fuel efficient than 320i, especially in short distance city driving and high speed highway driving. On country roads the difference is smaller.
One interesting note: The biggest surprise with the B47TU1 diesel is the extremely short warm up time for a diesel motor. Diesels usually take a lot time to warm up, but this one is not like that at all. And it's very quiet from the inside.

DPF should not be a concern if you don't plan to drive your car more than 250.000 kilometers. In general, BMWs have longer-life DPFs than most diesel cars. Also, if you're doing a longer drive of 50k every week, this will burn all accumulated particles on a weekly basis. Correct me if I'm wrong, but B48 gasoline engine is also classified as EURO 6 and has some kind of fine particle filter on the exhaust.

In the end of the day - you should take it on a test drive to check if it's your cup of tea.

[SteveinArizona]

I just got back from a 300 mile trip (each way). Driving my 530e in adaptive mode with battery control set to 50% (I wanted to make sure I had all the boost I wanted to pass others on fast country hill roads) I averaged 31 mpg and did most of my driving at 75 mph (more when passing, especially on steep hills).

The only time I charged the batteries was when I first left my house and didn't recharge until I returned.

[Calamari]

Originally Posted by SteveinArizona

I just got back from a 300 mile trip (each way). Driving my 530e in adaptive mode with battery control set to 50% (I wanted to make sure I had all the boost I wanted to pass others on fast country hill roads) I averaged 31 mpg and did most of my driving at 75 mph (more when passing, especially on steep hills).

In these conditions (300 mile trip, country roads mostly at 75mph) my G20 318d is at 50mpg. If you're light footed, you can squeeze out even more.

[Cranester1983]

Originally Posted by Calamari

In these conditions (300 mile trip, country roads mostly at 75mph) my G20 318d is at 50mpg. If you're light footed, you can squeeze out even more.

And my current C220d did an almost exact same journey today - 306 miles. Returned 65.7mpg. 🤷*♂️

[Calamari]

Originally Posted by Cranester1983

And my current C220d did an almost exact same journey today - 306 miles. Returned 65.7mpg. 🤷*♂️

Disclaimer: I'm not light-footed and I live in a hilly region of Mediterranean coast. Both factors are not very good for fuel economy.

[SteveinArizona]

Originally Posted by Calamari

Disclaimer: I'm not light-footed and I live in a hilly region of Mediterranean coast. Both factors are not very good for fuel economy.

There is no way a phev is going to get the same highway mileage that a diesel gets.

On the other hand, this is the longest trip I have taken with the car. I do a lot of local driving and usually get between 700 and 1000 miles on a 12.4 gallon tank.

So the phev works for me and my desires for pollution control. It might not work as well for someone who does mostly long highway drives. That is where a diesel shines.

[Cranester1983]

Originally Posted by Calamari

Disclaimer: I'm not light-footed and I live in a hilly region of Mediterranean coast. Both factors are not very good for fuel economy.

Me neither usually, was just teasing it out ha!
I am awaiting a 330e M Sport in next week or two - I do these long journeys once or twice a month, coupled with my round trip commute of 70 ish miles.

Definitely not going to return the same MPG I know - but if I can get relatively close... coupled with the very attractive BIK tax rate here in the UK for a PHEV hybrid, I should be marginally better off.

[Calamari]

Originally Posted by Cranester1983

Me neither usually, was just teasing it out ha!
I am awaiting a 330e M Sport in next week or two - I do these long journeys once or twice a month, coupled with my round trip commute of 70 ish miles.

Definitely not going to return the same MPG I know - but if I can get relatively close... coupled with the very attractive BIK tax rate here in the UK for a PHEV hybrid, I should be marginally better off.

Tax deductions and subsidies can really change the picture in favor of PHEV, especially when you consider the performance you get with it. I'm sure you're gonna be happy with 330e. With subsidies or tax deductions it appears to be the sweet spot of the range.