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      12-03-2018, 01:48 PM   #331
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I have a hard time believing BMWNA would raise the starting price by $7000, even on an “M Sport” model. They held the line on pricing for the G20 330i. If I remember correctly (I’m pretty sure I do) the starting price for the G20 330i is the same as for the 2018 F30 330i. I’m going to guess that $56k price included some of the new options that are on that display car. Maybe I’m wrong. I hope not.
the $56K was displayed as the MSRP of the M340i XDrive. the car didn't have any extras, it was actually missing the Laser lights. the other models had it but not the M340i.
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Scott’s warnings lead me to believe you’ll be disappointed
...picture a iNext grill on a 3-series...
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Uh, at 4:42 - so it seems it does have fake exhausts after all?
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I'm more interested in how this new 3 feels while driving.
The most important aspects of any sport sedan are how the driver connects to the car, and how the car behaves and responds to the driver.

If the grill design is a bit odd or different, of if the taillights stick out an inch too far, or if the exterior has some odd bend in some panel, that is superficial to me.

I judge my cars from the driver's seat and how it feels first, and then how the rest of my body extends and connects with the interior and the controls, and how that works or doesn't work.

I'll take a plain and simply interior, like the new Tesla 3, as long as the feel, fit, and connection from the driver's seat fits what a driver wants and needs.

BMW and other brands tend to lose their way a bit because too many non-driver cosmetic demands as a priority to demanding that a driver's car and/or sport sedan, first and foremost satisfy the driver's needs.

But, that's just me.
I'm in the minority of those who prefer function over fashion.
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      12-03-2018, 03:01 PM   #335
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Really?

Does the exhaust not come out of that area?

If not, then where does the exhaust gas actually come out at?
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And I feel sorry to say it but BMW lost its dynamic benchmark crown some few years back. Plenty of articles in specialized magazines. Please read. You will find out that there are many good cars out there today.
That dynamic sheet of metal wrapped is a long gone story.
Thank you for the ACCEPTABLE term.

I have been waiting for this new one and now...
Since when did it lose the crown... and in which segment? The F30 remained competitive right up to the end, with only the Jaguar pipping it for ride-handling balance (no, the Giulia is not fault-free; not everyone drinks the anti-BMW Kool-Aid).

You got a chip on your shoulder. No wonder people keep wanting to knock it off.

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Do you love cropping the text as you like?
I won't have a further discussion since you are manipulating the text..
My heart bleeds. Manipulating? Lol.
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Oh, and keep your Toyota. I rather have this 3 Series.
I have no idea when you’re talking about, and it looks like I’m not the only one...!
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Since when did it lose the crown... and in which segment? The F30 remained competitive right up to the end, with only the Jaguar pipping it for ride-handling balance (no, the Giulia is not fault-free; not everyone drinks the anti-BMW Kool-Aid).
You got a chip on your shoulder. No wonder people keep wanting to knock it off.
Just few examples:

Lets start with a funny but not funny one: Mazda no longer benchmarking BMW but Toyota Instead.
Mazda! I guess that this will tell you a lot.
https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/02/24/m...oyota-instead/
https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...-s-handle.html

"BMW enthusiasts know that some things have changed at the Bavarian marque and it is no longer prioritizing driving joy, despite proclaiming it is building the "ultimate driving machine." The way engineers program steering feel, engine response, and exhaust noise are making modern-day BMWs less engaging to drive, the connection between the driver and the machine is almost lost."
https://www.motor1.com/news/233390/m...oyota-not-bmw/

"Outside of its top-shelf M cars, most modern mainstream Bimmers lack the tactile engagement and driving joy that characterized their forebearers."
http://www.thedrive.com/news/18599/m...nchmarking-bmw

BMW acknowledge that the old cars where better and that newer generations are not what BMW used to be. Obviously BMW Development Chief heard that from too many sources, not just me...
http://www.thedrive.com/news/24140/b...rs-were-better

M3, a broken benchmark.
https://www.motor1.com/reviews/12678...-sedan-review/
https://axleaddict.com/auto-industry...-The-Benchmark

A comparo in 2017
https://www.cars.com/articles/luxury...1420695984144/

I do not recall how many articles in Auto Motor und Sport, Car & Driver and other publications said that BMW lost the benchmark crown. Is gone. Many models failed to impress, from dynamics, to interior quality or performance. I wish I can still have all these magazines to show you, but if you have a collections please dig in the last few years and you will get your answer.

Never in the past BMW brought a new car with less HP (228HP) than previous model (241HP) and a worse platform - UKL with FWD. This while Mercedes has a 375HP, Volvo Polestar 362HP, Honda Civic 306HP, Audi TT 292HP, Jag F-type 296, etc. All 4 cylinder engines. So?
From my own personal point of view I can see that after so many BMW in my yard, the new ones are cheaper and not that great. My cheapest car in my life, never had a dead engine; not to mention at 80.000km. But BMW offered me this sad and costly experience.

I love BMW more than you think, yet, slowly I started to swallow the hard pill of "not so great anymore". I hope it will be better. Love the new 5 but is too big for me. If the new M3 will deliver a cleaner design, I might be interested.
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      12-04-2018, 12:51 AM   #339
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Just few examples:

Lets start with a funny but not funny one: Mazda no longer benchmarking BMW but Toyota Instead.
Mazda! I guess that this will tell you a lot.
https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/02/24/m...oyota-instead/
https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...-s-handle.html

"BMW enthusiasts know that some things have changed at the Bavarian marque and it is no longer prioritizing driving joy, despite proclaiming it is building the "ultimate driving machine." The way engineers program steering feel, engine response, and exhaust noise are making modern-day BMWs less engaging to drive, the connection between the driver and the machine is almost lost."
https://www.motor1.com/news/233390/m...oyota-not-bmw/

"Outside of its top-shelf M cars, most modern mainstream Bimmers lack the tactile engagement and driving joy that characterized their forebearers."
http://www.thedrive.com/news/18599/m...nchmarking-bmw

BMW acknowledge that the old cars where better and that newer generations are not what BMW used to be. Obviously BMW Development Chief heard that from too many sources, not just me...
http://www.thedrive.com/news/24140/b...rs-were-better

M3, a broken benchmark.
https://www.motor1.com/reviews/12678...-sedan-review/
https://axleaddict.com/auto-industry...-The-Benchmark

A comparo in 2017
https://www.cars.com/articles/luxury...1420695984144/


Never in the past BMW brought a new car with less HP (228HP) than previous model (241HP) and a worse platform - UKL with FWD. This while Mercedes has a 375HP, Volvo Polestar 362HP, Honda Civic 306HP, Audi TT 292HP, Jag F-type 296, etc. All 4 cylinder engines. So?
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pretty sure the new x2 m235i has 302hp and that engine will also go in other ukl cars.

You went to the trouble of listing the hp numbers of 5 other cars and somehow didn't get BMWs engine in there. please if you're gonna rant and troll at least learn how to use Google better
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pretty sure the new x2 m235i has 302hp and that engine will also go in other ukl cars.

You went to the trouble of listing the hp numbers of 5 other cars and somehow didn't get BMWs engine in there. please if you're gonna rant and troll at least learn how to use Google better
We are talking about right now. So far not available yet. Not to mention years after the others. And even now still under some of them...
will see how this one will hold up, as the old N20 is a subject to a class action that is on the roll right now.

Anyway, I am getting bored of the funny comments. Obviously, the other brands might have more horses, but they are skinny...

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      12-04-2018, 06:00 PM   #341
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I was at BMW Canada today and they had a M340i that was covered up.Here are some pics of the wheels.
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      12-04-2018, 07:10 PM   #342
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I was at BMW Canada today and they had a M340i that was covered up.Here are some pics of the wheels.
Nice catch! But I thought the center cap was supposed to be self-righting?
https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/10/06/s...-bmw-3-series/
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Nice catch! But I thought the center cap was supposed to be self-righting?
https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/10/06/s...-bmw-3-series/
I hadn’t heard anything about that but the pics of the wheels posted on this thread from LA also show that the center caps are not self righting.Thats a cool feature though.Maybe they will just wait to introduce them on the production cars.
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Nice catch! But I thought the center cap was supposed to be self-righting?
https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/10/06/s...-bmw-3-series/
I have them on my 2 week old F31, fitted them myself after ordering them as an accessory from BMW.
Took the wheels off though, as I lack a decent suction cap.
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appreciated BMW trying to go to modern looks and all, but honestly in my opinion if you look through the model, the F30 still have more "icon" to it on BMW comparing to this far. There is a distinctive feel to the F30 and maybe earlier models comparing to this one, couldn't explain more
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appreciated BMW trying to go to modern looks and all, but honestly in my opinion if you look through the model, the F30 still have more "icon" to it on BMW comparing to this far. There is a distinctive feel to the F30 and maybe earlier models comparing to this one, couldn't explain more
F30 looks outdated already. 2 years from now I will be going "holy hell I was driving around in THAT?" just like looking back at E90 11 years ago.
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appreciated BMW trying to go to modern looks and all, but honestly in my opinion if you look through the model, the F30 still have more "icon" to it on BMW comparing to this far. There is a distinctive feel to the F30 and maybe earlier models comparing to this one, couldn't explain more
F30 looks outdated already. 2 years from now I will be going "holy hell I was driving around in THAT?" just like looking back at E90 11 years ago.
depends, the LCI doesn't look that outdated
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So... it's going to be made in Africa as well correct?
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depends, the LCI doesn't look that outdated
I have the LCI and yeah it does compared to G20.
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depends, the LCI doesn't look that outdated
I have the LCI and yeah it does compared to G20.
is this your excuse to get the G20?
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is this your excuse to get the G20?
Man of course. My BMWs are always programmed to auto-destruct when the new model comes out
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I was at the auto show and saw that car (not too shabby). Let's just hope they don't bring them in from Africa to the US. The German made ones should be pretty good. HP and torque numbers are quite good.
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