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      03-21-2019, 04:56 PM   #45
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I've read this article before. Some interesting take-away:

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The long straight-six takes up some of the space required by the new dual-pinion electrically assisted power-steering rack used in the four-cylinder 330i, so the M340i uses the old ZF APA-style rack from the last-generation F30-chassis 3-series, and the difference is immediately obvious. Though I was cautioned that some of what I felt could have been attributed to high tire temperatures from track driving (the M340i prototypes werenít legal to drive on the street), I immediately noticed some of the on-center vagueness that plagued the last-generation car but not the new 330i. Letís hope the hot tires were indeed responsible.
I hope it's the tires too, and I wonder how the G80 will be solving this problem. Hopefully not with the F30 rack.

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That itís capable enough to (almost) keep up with an M2 Competition around the track means this non-M M340i has what it takes to keep track-rat enthusiasts happy.
That's good news, especially for the G80 which should be a beast given how well the M340i has already started to prove.
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I've read this article before. Some interesting take-away:



I hope it's the tires too, and I wonder how the G80 will be solving this problem. Hopefully not with the F30 rack.



That's good news, especially for the G80 which should be a beast given how well the M340i has already started to prove.
If I don't wind up with an i4 or new 4 GC PHEV/BEV (whenever that finally launches), this definitely confirms getting the 4 cylinder if ICE only. I much more value steering response and feel to the extra cylinders.
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      03-21-2019, 07:44 PM   #49
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I’m 30 days away from the lease end date of my 2016 M4, and recently placed an order for an M340i.

Now I’m having remorse! I love the M4, but I need something more practical right now (ie AWD, etc...). Someone talk me off the emotional ledge!!

I’m having irrational thoughts of financing the M4, which is insane considering the true value is around 42k, and the buyout is around 57k!!

I know I know.. first world problems... I tell myself I’ll be in a better spot in 3 years to move back into an M. But it’s going to kill me seeing an M on the road while I’m rolling around in the M340
I brought my F83 from Germany that I bought there (Military sales) had it there over a year..loved the roads in Europe. Brought it to the US (Virginia to be specific) and sold it within 10 months. Roads here suck, can't drive it like it's meant to be driven (legally, like Germany). I'm miss it trust me but tell myself it was meant for Germany. I'm leaving towards the M340 but not until I test drive it for sure. Not sure if any of my ranting helped lol...good luck!
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I brought my F83 from Germany that I bought there (Military sales) had it there over a year..loved the roads in Europe. Brought it to the US (Virginia to be specific) and sold it within 10 months. Roads here suck, can't drive it like it's meant to be driven (legally, like Germany). I'm miss it trust me but tell myself it was meant for Germany. I'm leaving towards the M340 but not until I test drive it for sure. Not sure if any of my ranting helped lol...good luck!
Definitely helps! I randomly hit 130 here and there, but you're right, in the US, unless you're tracking it, it feels under utilized! I know for fact I did not push that car beyond 10% of its limit. Hell, I still had the original tires on it after 3 years. Granted I switched them out during the winter...
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don't buy your own lease. too much money. if you really want that same car, wait for the dealership to offer it for sale. you will save yourself money and end up with a Certified Warranty. just my two cents!
that is my thought also.
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I've read this article before. Some interesting take-away:



I hope it's the tires too, and I wonder how the G80 will be solving this problem. Hopefully not with the F30 rack.



That's good news, especially for the G80 which should be a beast given how well the M340i has already started to prove.
If I don't wind up with an i4 or new 4 GC PHEV/BEV (whenever that finally launches), this definitely confirms getting the 4 cylinder if ICE only. I much more value steering response and feel to the extra cylinders.
Say it isn't so.... you don't really believe that. I could agree if you're comparing a jalopy with a v8 vs a solid car with a sweet 6 cylinder, but not a 3 series with an I6 vs a 3er with a 4-pot. If the I6 model was that much worse in some other aspect(s), I'd just move on to a different make. If I'm ever forced to consider a 4 cylinder for some reason, I'll get a Honda and be done with it.
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I am in the same boat. I may not be able to keep my M4 if I buy M340 but have Europe trip coming up and would love to do euro delivery. My M4 CP, manual, loaded is coming off lease and buyout is 47k... which I think is quite good. Decisions decisions
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I am in the same boat. I may not be able to keep my M4 if I buy M340 but have Europe trip coming up and would love to do euro delivery. My M4 CP, manual, loaded is coming off lease and buyout is 47k... which I think is quite good. Decisions decisions
How many miles??
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Say it isn't so.... you don't really believe that. I could agree if you're comparing a jalopy with a v8 vs a solid car with a sweet 6 cylinder, but not a 3 series with an I6 vs a 3er with a 4-pot. If the I6 model was that much worse in some other aspect(s), I'd just move on to a different make. If I'm ever forced to consider a 4 cylinder for some reason, I'll get a Honda and be done with it.
It's so. I have always been appreciative of BMW 4 cylinder engines back to my E21. Lighter weight over the front end, and more than enough power for my driving environments. I prefer the steering and feel response difference than getting to the next red light a fraction of a second faster. I swapped out the LCAs in my 2, just to enhance that further, but no tunes for the engine wanted. Both of my current BMWs are 4 cylinder by choice, not by economic constraint. I never understood the thought that getting a 4 reduces the entire rest of the car to Honda level...heard that before on 2Addicts, and honestly think it's a very narrow point of view. A 4 clylinder BMW is the same car (or better in some ways) than a 6, except for being fractionally slower. With Sirius playing, I don't really care about exhaust sound differences anyway.

Whatever version of the new platform I wind up with, I'll be looking to balance power with the lighter weight front end again. Of course, a BEV i4 will do that very nicely! And, with all the good news here about the G20 fundamentals, that should set that up to be a great car!
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It's so. I have always been appreciative of BMW 4 cylinder engines back to my E21. Lighter weight over the front end, and more than enough power for my driving environments. I prefer the steering and feel response difference than getting to the next red light a fraction of a second faster. I swapped out the LCAs in my 2, just to enhance that further, but no tunes for the engine wanted. Both of my current BMWs are 4 cylinder by choice, not by economic constraint. I nenver understood the thought that getting a 4 reduces the entire rest of the car to Honda level...heard that before on 2Addicts, and honestly think it's a very narrow point fo view. A 4 clylinder BMW is the same car (or better in some ways) than a 6, except for being fractionally slower. With Sirius playing, I don't really care about exhaust sound differences anyway.

Whatever version of the new platform I wind up with, I'll be looking to balance power with the lighter weight front end again. Of course, a BEV i4 will do that very nicely! And, with all the good news here about the G20 fundamentals, that should set that up to be a great car!
Wish I felt this way, would save me some $$$
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This is not true. I bought my 2015 335 lease last month and got $4k off the original RV
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This is not true. I bought my 2015 335 lease last month and got $4k off the original RV
Thatís good!

My dealer will need to knock off 17k ($58k residual) for me to feel comfortable. Especially when they have a 2016 alpine white on the lot, with 22k miles, going for $44k. I have about 46k on my odometer.

Forgot to mention the AW M4 has exact same options as mine.
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This is not true. I bought my 2015 335 lease last month and got $4k off the original RV
That’s good!

My dealer will need to knock off 17k ($58k residual) for me to feel comfortable. Especially when they have a 2016 alpine white on the lot, with 22k miles, going for $44k. I have about 46k on my odometer.
That just means you played the lease game exceptionally well. Turn it in and don't look back.
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This is not true. I bought my 2015 335 lease last month and got $4k off the original RV
That's good!

My dealer will need to knock off 17k ($58k residual) for me to feel comfortable. Especially when they have a 2016 alpine white on the lot, with 22k miles, going for $44k. I have about 46k on my odometer.
That just means you played the lease game exceptionally well. Turn it in and don't look back.
Or buy it and enjoy the car until I find a replacement. Waiting for the g20 340 or new m3
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This is not true. I bought my 2015 335 lease last month and got $4k off the original RV
I'm wondering: how'd you manage that? I'm a few weeks away from the end of my lease, and consistently get the party line that there's no negotiation to be had.
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I'm wondering: how'd you manage that? I'm a few weeks away from the end of my lease, and consistently get the party line that there's no negotiation to be had.
I know it was more for 2015 than any other year. I honestly just called BMWFS and said I read something online about $4k off and she was like "absolutely, let me get you a payoff quote with that factored in"

It was labeled as "Customer Purchase Promotion" on the payoff docs
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Or buy it and enjoy the car until I find a replacement. Waiting for the g20 340 or new m3
Why would he do that when the other car has less than half the miles, for $14k LESS than the old car? Even better if it has a CPO warranty on it. And that's $14k BEFORE negotiations. Less miles, cheaper, probably a warranty... it's a no-brainer.
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Or buy it and enjoy the car until I find a replacement. Waiting for the g20 340 or new m3
Why would he do that when the other car has less than half the miles, for $14k LESS than the old car? Even better if it has a CPO warranty on it. And that's $14k BEFORE negotiations. Less miles, cheaper, probably a warranty... it's a no-brainer.
I never said he should do that, that's what I did
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Or buy it and enjoy the car until I find a replacement. Waiting for the g20 340 or new m3
Why would he do that when the other car has less than half the miles, for $14k LESS than the old car? Even better if it has a CPO warranty on it. And that's $14k BEFORE negotiations. Less miles, cheaper, probably a warranty... it's a no-brainer.
I never said he should do that, that's what I did
You presented an idea. I'm saying in his case, it's a bad idea. If you want, give me your numbers and we can determine if you are losing more money than you should have.
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