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      06-27-2018, 05:28 PM   #1101
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" BMW could expand its M Performance Automobiles lineup with a new series of vehicles. According to AutoGuide, citing an official filing by BMW with the United States Patent and Trademark Office, the Bavarians have registered the names ‘M335’, ‘M650’ and ‘M750’."
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The M340i is just replacing the 340i M Sport ZTR. The base and non-M Sport 340i is just not going to exist anymore. It's just a marketing badge. Will it be faster than the current 340i? Sure... but that's commensurate with the update to the 3 series line, and not because they put an M badge in front of it.
There have been M Performance models like you describe (most of them so far including M235i, M240i, M550i, etc.) which are basically the same cars we're used to with M Sport & Track handling packages standard plus a few more horsepower than the non-M Performance versions that would theoretically exist. (theoretically because there is no 235i, 240i, etc.)

The second and more interesting M Performance vehicle seems to be coming starting with the M850i which has apparently been designed with a lot more input from M employees and a lot less from BMW employees. We're getting a real electronically-variable LSD standard, more aggressive suspension setup with more negative camber, and other fun stuff like that and the car is said to be set up to be significantly more fun to drive and to give better feedback to the driver than the standard 8 series. I'm really hoping M340i follows in those footsteps so it can stop being a "330i with more power" and can be more of a half way model between 330i and M3.

This is coming from a current 340i w/ M Sport & Track Handling Package + MPPSK owner. I like my car, but it's a LONG way away from an M3. If I were back in the end of 2015 again, I would 100% have spent the extra money and gone for the M3 so I think it would be nice if the future M340i could give buyers a little more driving enjoyment, a more aggressive chassis setup, etc. than my car offers.
It has been confirmed through insiders that the m performance models are more than just reskin of the previous gen Msport cars. Model specific suspension as well as limited slip diff on the M340 are just for a few major items. Including the lowered sport suspension for the drive cars (probably the biggest handicap of the f30)
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The F30 has so many handicaps I don't think you could single one out. Although tall xDrives wouldn't be my first pick...
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The M340i is just replacing the 340i M Sport ZTR. The base and non-M Sport 340i is just not going to exist anymore. It's just a marketing badge. Will it be faster than the current 340i? Sure... but that's commensurate with the update to the 3 series line, and not because they put an M badge in front of it.
There have been M Performance models like you describe (most of them so far including M235i, M240i, M550i, etc.) which are basically the same cars we're used to with M Sport & Track handling packages standard plus a few more horsepower than the non-M Performance versions that would theoretically exist. (theoretically because there is no 235i, 240i, etc.)

The second and more interesting M Performance vehicle seems to be coming starting with the M850i which has apparently been designed with a lot more input from M employees and a lot less from BMW employees. We're getting a real electronically-variable LSD standard, more aggressive suspension setup with more negative camber, and other fun stuff like that and the car is said to be set up to be significantly more fun to drive and to give better feedback to the driver than the standard 8 series. I'm really hoping M340i follows in those footsteps so it can stop being a "330i with more power" and can be more of a half way model between 330i and M3.

This is coming from a current 340i w/ M Sport & Track Handling Package + MPPSK owner. I like my car, but it's a LONG way away from an M3. If I were back in the end of 2015 again, I would 100% have spent the extra money and gone for the M3 so I think it would be nice if the future M340i could give buyers a little more driving enjoyment, a more aggressive chassis setup, etc. than my car offers.
It has been confirmed through insiders that the m performance models are more than just reskin of the previous gen Msport cars. Model specific suspension as well as limited slip diff on the M340 are just for a few major items. Including the lowered sport suspension for the drive cars (probably the biggest handicap of the f30)
The LSD is a nice touch. Is that confirmed as standard or just an option? Does the current M550i or M40i come with an LSD standard?

The current M Sport Suspension is already lower than stock so that's not unique to the M340i. Lowering it more is fine, but it not like they couldn't have done it without the M badge. The point remains: this is more Marketing than anything else. M cars are more than just add on parts. Not that this is a bad thing: if adding that M makes BMW take the 340i more seriously for the driving enthusiast, all power to them.
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Ooo can't wait for the new M340 to come out!! About time the 3 series got the M performance version as well.
The M340i is just replacing the 340i M Sport ZTR. The base and non-M Sport 340i is just not going to exist anymore. It's just a marketing badge. Will it be faster than the current 340i? Sure... but that's commensurate with the update to the 3 series line, and not because they put an M badge in front of it.
I know most, if not all, parts are already available. It's just nice to see the badging for me to be honest. I think it looks cool. : Marketing works. Mercedes has been doing this too. I guess it's to help problem feel more empowered without paying the full price of a real M or AMG. To be honest I don't need all that so it'll make me feel a little prouder with the M in front despite not changing anything. : Guess I like being s poser.
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LOL and bragging rights.

To clarify: The M340i will come with the M Sport appearance package, variable steering, M Sport Suspension, and M Sport Brakes, all of which will still be options on the rest of the G20 line, only it will be standard on the M340i along with the top-of-the-line B58 engine. The current F30 340i can be optioned the same way: variable steering, M Sport Suspension, and M Sport Brakes, and top-of-the-line B58. Only the F30 340i doesn't come with an M badge infront of it.

The fact that the OP thinks that it was "about time the 3 series got the M performance version as well" shows that BMW marketing has done a really good job. The 3 series has had the "M performance version" for quite a long time with the is models and M Sport accessories. I'm not opposed to diluting the M badge by putting it on a non-M car, but people need to get educated. We're going to have a lot of hubris on the road with the M340i.
Exactly! Here in the UK the 340i is only available as M Sport (with sevotronic & metallic as standard) It’s a shame it will now only be available as M340i because the price will go up and I don’t need M Sport brakes (which are barely an upgrade over the already upgraded brakes on 340i) and the other few options M Sport plus currently gets! Rather than pay an extra £4K I will probably look at the G20 330i... 4 pot I know but I don’t need the current 330(ish) hp let alone 385!! 260ish will be ample for my requirements and the tuned 4 pot actually doesn’t sound that bad (can barely hear the engine/exhaust with windows shut anyway!!
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Sounds sh!t like a 4 banger not convinced that's a G series 340i
Actually sounds like a diesel to me

As insider scott has already suggested!!
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Bleh, do I see a floating rear caliper with a huge m sport front brake (electronic parking brake confirms this) and a connected grille
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I hate to jump on the bandwagon about how "big" modern BMW's are getting, but this thing looks huge. This coming from a guy who thinks the F30 is just the right size.
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The M340i is just replacing the 340i M Sport ZTR. The base and non-M Sport 340i is just not going to exist anymore. It's just a marketing badge. Will it be faster than the current 340i? Sure... but that's commensurate with the update to the 3 series line, and not because they put an M badge in front of it.
There have been M Performance models like you describe (most of them so far including M235i, M240i, M550i, etc.) which are basically the same cars we're used to with M Sport & Track handling packages standard plus a few more horsepower than the non-M Performance versions that would theoretically exist. (theoretically because there is no 235i, 240i, etc.)

The second and more interesting M Performance vehicle seems to be coming starting with the M850i which has apparently been designed with a lot more input from M employees and a lot less from BMW employees. We're getting a real electronically-variable LSD standard, more aggressive suspension setup with more negative camber, and other fun stuff like that and the car is said to be set up to be significantly more fun to drive and to give better feedback to the driver than the standard 8 series. I'm really hoping M340i follows in those footsteps so it can stop being a "330i with more power" and can be more of a half way model between 330i and M3.

This is coming from a current 340i w/ M Sport & Track Handling Package + MPPSK owner. I like my car, but it's a LONG way away from an M3. If I were back in the end of 2015 again, I would 100% have spent the extra money and gone for the M3 so I think it would be nice if the future M340i could give buyers a little more driving enjoyment, a more aggressive chassis setup, etc. than my car offers.
It has been confirmed through insiders that the m performance models are more than just reskin of the previous gen Msport cars. Model specific suspension as well as limited slip diff on the M340 are just for a few major items. Including the lowered sport suspension for the drive cars (probably the biggest handicap of the f30)
The LSD is a nice touch. Is that confirmed as standard or just an option? Does the current M550i or M40i come with an LSD standard?

The current M Sport Suspension is already lower than stock so that's not unique to the M340i. Lowering it more is fine, but it not like they couldn't have done it without the M badge. The point remains: this is more Marketing than anything else. M cars are more than just add on parts. Not that this is a bad thing: if adding that M makes BMW take the 340i more seriously for the driving enthusiast, all power to them.
It's not lower for the xDrive models, which was his point. For the first time ever, BMW will offer a proper lowered sport suspension on M-Sport models with xDrive. Previous generations were stuck with the standard tall xDrive suspension, despite being fitted with the more sport oriented M-Sport model. This was easily my biggest gripe with the 3 series.
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It's not lower for the xDrive models, which was his point. For the first time ever, BMW will offer a proper lowered sport suspension on M-Sport models with xDrive. Previous generations were stuck with the standard tall xDrive suspension, despite being fitted with the more sport oriented M-Sport model. This was easily my biggest gripe with the 3 series.
That's a good point and the LSD in the M340i is another very good thing. My car with M Power & Sound Kit is pretty quick and it actually does a very nice job with the open differential it has but an LSD would be very welcome. I skipped that option because it wasn't available at the port yet when I ordered my car and I figured I was already piling on enough options when I was supposed to be "saving" money by not going for the M3.
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buckle up buttercup... you are in for a rough ride..


" BMW could expand its M Performance Automobiles lineup with a new series of vehicles. According to AutoGuide, citing an official filing by BMW with the United States Patent and Trademark Office, the Bavarians have registered the names ‘M335’, ‘M650’ and ‘M750’."
It just defeats the purpose imo (even though we all know they are not true m’s)
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Or they mistakenly called it an M340i when really it's just an m-sport 330i
Turn the sound on and up.

If BMW managed to make the 2.0 turbo sound like that, then I'm really impressed.

Otherwise, I still prefer the inline-6 3.0 turrrrbooo FTW.
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Actually sounds like a diesel to me

As insider scott has already suggested!!
It does sound like a shorter rev band.
But then, with 8spd + ATs out there that could be misleading too.
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I hate to jump on the bandwagon about how "big" modern BMW's are getting, but this thing looks huge. This coming from a guy who thinks the F30 is just the right size.
My F30 is slightly too big in my opinion... the e90 was pretty much the perfect size. This G20 will grow by at least 3 inches I’d bet, making it probably too big for me! I may have to look at fwd cars next if I want something smaller
Maybe the new 1 series won’t be too bad a drive!?
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It has been confirmed through insiders that the m performance models are more than just reskin of the previous gen Msport cars. Model specific suspension as well as limited slip diff on the M340 are just for a few major items. Including the lowered sport suspension for the drive cars (probably the biggest handicap of the f30)
I don’t believe it - the 235 I had for ~18 months was the worst BMW I’ve owned (on #7 now). It’s all marketing in my opinion.
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It has been confirmed through insiders that the m performance models are more than just reskin of the previous gen Msport cars. Model specific suspension as well as limited slip diff on the M340 are just for a few major items. Including the lowered sport suspension for the drive cars (probably the biggest handicap of the f30)
I don’t believe it - the 235 I had for ~18 months was the worst BMW I’ve owned (on #7 now). It’s all marketing in my opinion.
M235 had a different sport suspension than the 230, power kit motor from factory, and was the first bmw to share the same sport suspension between xdrive and rwd. You might not have personally liked it but the progress was there.
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M235 had a different sport suspension than the 230, power kit motor from factory, and was the first bmw to share the same sport suspension between xdrive and rwd. You might not have personally liked it but the progress was there.
So those changes are worthy of association with M? Give me a break...

anyone can get a PPK, so that's not a big deal. And if the 235 had a different sports suspension, then I would have to guess that the 230 is a car that handles quite terribly.

The 235 was floaty, squishy, and devoid of feedback. It was so bad that I took the financial hit after 18 months, and got into a 981 CS, which was on another planet in every way imaginable.

But you're right - that's just my personal experience.
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I dunno, but BMW interiors are getting stale now, a new design is overdue. I am sure the quality of the materials will be fine, and maybe on par or better than the competition, is just the layout needs a new direction
I don't care what they do as long as the damn gloss black plastic goes away.
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So those changes are worthy of association with M? Give me a break...

anyone can get a PPK, so that's not a big deal. And if the 235 had a different sports suspension, then I would have to guess that the 230 is a car that handles quite terribly.

The 235 was floaty, squishy, and devoid of feedback. It was so bad that I took the financial hit after 18 months, and got into a 981 CS, which was on another planet in every way imaginable.

But you're right - that's just my personal experience.
Moving to a porsche is cheating

But realistically, the M235 was the same way. You could get the same bumpers, brakes, suspension, etc on the 230i. The only real benefit i saw was that you got more power from the factory vs a standard N55 car. but otherwise, the ///M designation itself just meant you got all the track package/msport package parts as standard.
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