[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by alex2364

South Africa F30s have better reliability and build quality than German F30s so for everyone crying out G20s built in Mexico, you should ask why German F30s aren't as good as South Africa.

Please show me the data you have for this claim.

[BMW M Power Mexico]

To all of you that keep bringing up your experiences with mexican made VWs:

THAT IS A VW PROBLEM, NOT A MEXICO PROBLEM FFS

Tons of cars by multiple brands are made here and all I keep hearing here is how VW made a bad job of manufacturing here so BMW surely will make the same mistake?

List of cars made here:

Fusion, RAM, Silverado, Sentra among others:

"Others made in Mexico and sold in the United States include Nissan Versa, 132,214 sold last year in United States, pricing starts at $11,990; Volkswagen Jetta, 121,107, starts at $17,895; Dodge Journey, 106,759 sold, starts at $21,145; GMC Sierra, 99,000, starts at $38,015; Toyota Tacoma, 86,000, starts at $24,320, and the Ford Fiesta, 48,807.

Here's hoping that qualified mexican labour will improve BMW's quality to the level of a Toyota Tacoma.

It's up to BMW to deliver quality cars wherever they are made.

[alex2364]

Originally Posted by SoManyBlueCars

Please show me the data you have for this claim.

https://autoweek.com/article/car-new...-built-germany

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by Schmee150

My prior Golf GTI was made in Mexico and it had a ton of issues. Granted my USA made X3 already has a ton of rattles. Actually my German made F80 also creaks like an old wooden ship.

All F30 and F80 creak if you have the Shadowline gloss black window trim. It isn't an assembly error, it's the rubber window / door seal rubbing against the plastic trim when the chassis flexes due to the specific materials they chose and the tolerance between the two pieces. The dealerships know to apply a strip of teflon tape to stop the noise and it works perfectly. I've had this done on both of my F30s and now my new F80. If you complain about it they will first want to try lubricating the rubber, ask them to skip that step or say you already tried that and that you want the teflon tape.

[ted99]

I'm completely biased and I'm going to vote with my wallet. Even though the new X5 looks great, I'm not going to purchase a car assembled by Trumpistan voters. Audi/Jaguar/non-SC and China BMW here I come when my current leases run out.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

And tarriffs are what force many of those decisions by manufacturers on where to make product for certain markets.

A tariff on German assembled 3 series vehicles wouldn't exist on the same 3er if it were assembled in Mexico, for example.

Also why so many X models are produced here.

Tariffs on vehicles between the US and Europe might be going away very soon. Just saying

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by arciga18

I agree that the bar is set high.

I had a German f30 with a terrible steering rack and pinion issue that required involving bmw field engineer and other legal professionals. I bring it up because your post insinuated German built cars are perfect .

Atleast transit time should be shortened .

I didn't imply anything. I just said that plant has big shoes to fill. Same applies to all non-German plants.

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by GarlicBread

I can't help but hate that front bumper.... I don't see an issue with these being built in Mexico though.

I see corolla lol

[Miko M]

I am not to worry being assembled in Mexico or any other country, it all depends on BMW requirements and quality in manufacturing. As far as assembling goes, it's all on individual employees and to be honest there are morons everywhere. Lol

[subliminalaudio]

Congrats BMW Mexico!

[///M TOWN]

I fixed that photo.

Somebody break out the Tequila !!!

[uniqueMR]

As of now, 3 Series (G20) assembly plants are:

Germany: Munich
China: Shenyang
Mexico: San Luis Potosí

[farishat]

Yeah, now Trump can ban your bimmer because it was made in Mexico.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by drexplode

There is a lot of trial and error involved with mastering an assembly process. I've seen a production plant be in business for 30+ years, switch to a new chassis and errors occurred like: fuel lines not attached completely, electrical harnesses not latched, fuel feed pipe not connected to tank, suspension components not torqued to the optimal value. They will have their trials and tribulations - some of the important variables are to learn from mistakes, proper training of the associates, and avoid boredom. For sure they will deal with turn over as the San Luis area, and surrounding areas have a lot of manufacturing competition.

BMW's have been contract manufactured and assembled in Mexico since 1995. The new BMW Group Plant - San Luis Potosí replaces the JV Lerma Motores Plant in Toluca. That factory has been the highest quality manufacturing facility for BMW vehicles for many years and was the first network facility to achieve Lean Six Sigma operation.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by farishat

Yeah, now Trump can ban your bimmer because it was made in Mexico.

It will be nice the day the Trump comments die off...

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by nemex12

Hahahah google Montagsauto and you´ll thank that your car is made in Mexico instead of being made in a monday here in Germany prost!

Montagsauto oder Freitagsauto. Prost!

To address everyone else, I find it amusing that some people care more about this than the fact the non-M cars haven't been very "BMW-like" this past generation. Maybe the G-series will address this, but it seems any hesitation should be based upon that versus where they're built. Just sayin'.

[uter]

Originally Posted by addy27

Not to change the subject but has ANYONE seen any of the 6 series GT on the road?? I am in the Bay Area and have yet to see a single 6 series GT on the road. I've seen some exotic Aston Martins already and of course all the rest of the MB/BMW/Audi models all around. The 6 series GT I have yet to encounter even a single one. I don't believe I've seen one at the Mountain View of Stevens creek dealerships either....

Originally Posted by addy27

Not to change the subject but has ANYONE seen any of the 6 series GT on the road?? I am in the Bay Area and have yet to see a single 6 series GT on the road. I've seen some exotic Aston Martins already and of course all the rest of the MB/BMW/Audi models all around. The 6 series GT I have yet to encounter even a single one. I don't believe I've seen one at the Mountain View of Stevens creek dealerships either....

640GT: We bought one in CA after having limited choice in AZ. Drives much better than our F15 X5 40e, has a huuuge back seat, and has more cargo space. Recommend DHP as a must-have option.

Threadjack over.

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

Montagsauto oder Freitagsauto. Prost!

To address everyone else, I find it amusing that some people care more about this than the fact the non-M cars haven't been very "BMW-like" this past generation. Maybe the G-series will address this, but it seems any hesitation should be based upon that versus where they're built. Just sayin'.

It is sad time we live in where prejudice and fear are front and center stage with some folks.

Instead of barking at the wrong tree (Manufacturing plant, country of origin or people of a certain ethnicity), rather protest the watering down of BMW products over the last decade and the desire and mission to put a BMW product on everyone's driveway at any cost, even their own reputation.

Hopefully BMW seems to be righting the ship again with the G series and the CLAR platform. The interiors are dramatically improving as well. Let's see if that is also true of long term quality and reliability.

BMWs made in different facilities around the world is not going to change. We live in a very different world from 40-50 years ago and the industry has been forced to respond to these geopolitical challenges.

If you don't like it, there are other brands out there but I believe it will be much of the same. Even the "purist" Aston Martin cars is also owned by 2 companies based on Kuwait.

Heck Volvo's are being manufactured in China, nice forward thinking Scandinavian interiors and all.

[440xiGCMSport2]

The assembly in Mexico's BMW plant isn't the problem. I am sure BMW paid decent money to hire good labour there. The problem as someone else suggested is the parts suppliers and metal suppliers from Mexico. Even parts suppliers from Germany BMW have had problems. Mexico is relatively new to the game.
People say don't be racist against Mexico but the reality is that countries like the US, Canada and Germany have been making parts and car assembly for a long long time and Mexico is fairly new to the game when compared. Also education level is lower generally so it isn't people on here being racist but if you look at the facts than you can see where people are coming from.
Mexicans are a hard working people as you can see they take jobs that no one in America want to do but sometimes it is about experience and the fact is that the other countries mentioned all have way more experience.

[320iG20]

Originally Posted by alex2364

https://autoweek.com/article/car-new...-built-germany

Problem is that the German plant also builds the "smaller" and cheaper versions that are not availiable outside Europe. There were many problems in the past only concerning e.g. the "lower end" engines.

The production process and quality control is planed in detail, it's not that easy to deviate from it, no matter where the plant is located.

@440xiGCMSport2: Do you have information on how many parts are actually produced in Mexico? Here in Germany it's the engine, drivetrain but I am not even sure about the car body anymore. Most of the small parts come from China anyway.

[530iDriver]

Originally Posted by 440xiGCMSport2

The assembly in Mexico's BMW plant isn't the problem. I am sure BMW paid decent money to hire good labour there. The problem as someone else suggested is the parts suppliers and metal suppliers from Mexico. Even parts suppliers from Germany BMW have had problems. Mexico is relatively new to the game.
People say don't be racist against Mexico but the reality is that countries like the US, Canada and Germany have been making parts and car assembly for a long long time and Mexico is fairly new to the game when compared. Also education level is lower generally so it isn't people on here being racist but if you look at the facts than you can see where people are coming from.
Mexicans are a hard working people as you can see they take jobs that no one in America want to do but sometimes it is about experience and the fact is that the other countries mentioned all have way more experience.

Mexico has had car manufacturing plants for decades.

Cars and trucks currently produced in Mexico and sold in the United States:

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...d-south-border

[solstice]

Let’s face it, when we buy a luxury item with long history and tradition the country of origin is intertwined with the brand. A Rolex made in China anyone? A Ferrari assembled in India? The quality might be as good or better but it no longer has the same connection to the history that shaped the brand. This aspect has nothing to do with the race of the buyer or producer. It’s about brand identity and authenticity.

One of my family members is the owner of a small but successful high-end loudspeaker company. His biggest market is China where the demand is that every single piece even the packaging material need not only to be made in Sweden but clearly markt ”Made in Sweden”.

Does it matter on a $1000 IPhone? Hardly, but a +$50k car from a brand with long history? Yeah, I think it does to most if they are honest.