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It's looking like the G80 M3 might stay auto while the G82 just gets the manual. By looking at the interior of the new M340i and by BMW's quote, don't know, getting bad vibes.
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I wouldn't hedge on waiting for that Man trans on the CSL though. My bet is on it being DCT only.
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I am glad that there seems to be a commitment to keep making the MT for the M4. Having the option on the transmission is a good thing, as many people (in the enthusiast market anyway) make a particular selection based upon very subjective and personal factors. Like others, I also wonder if the same will hold true for the M3, or if that was an inadvertent omission.
The interesting thing is that this guy said that the "M4 is our icon" - which is hilarious, given that the 4 series has been around for what, 5 years now? Perhaps this is just semantics, but in my opinion, the company's icon has been and always will be the M3. In fact, if BMW is looking for a different moniker to continue that tradition, I would think that the M2 is a better contender than the M4, just given the size, pricing levels, and perceived luxury requirements of the 2er vs. the 4er.
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They might also take the 981 GT4 or 911R approach, which is that you can have a very fast and involving car that isn't quite as fast as it might otherwise be, because MT is the only choice. You could make the argument that the M4 GTS was BMW's attempt to put out a track weapon that is designed to achieve the best possible lap times...which gives me hope that the M2 CSL could be MT only...
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Good news for all.
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12-03-2018, 10:46 AM | #139 |
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M4 Manual. CSL. Waiting.
Won't buy a 2er.
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I don't think this should evolve into an M2 vs. M4 debate...but the F87 platform is more conducive to an ultra-lightweight (relatively speaking, of course) and performance-based approach in my opinion. I've driven the F82 many times, and own an F80 - these cars are awesome in their own rights, but are simply bigger than the ideal performance size to me. If I could shrink the F80 by ~20%, I would have the perfect car. Is the preference for the M4 based upon interior options and/or quality of materials on the inside? I can understand if that's the case...but remember, those things would likely take a "hit" in an M4 CSL anyway...
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I know 8 manual drivers (F8x) and all but one of us had to build out an allocation.
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DCT isn't a real manual transmission. It's a variation of auto.
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OK, so the R&T article quoted by the OP, is not only about manual vs. automatics. He also talks about AWD. In particular, note this excerpt from the R&T article:
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DCT's (or sequential transmissions and their equivalents), on the other hand, don't use fluid coupling, rather they connect through actual gears and clutch, and the shifting of these gears are done automatically by computers that automate the manual shifting process. So the DCT is more a variation of the manual gearbox than a slushbox auto. |
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It is important to appreciate the above. To wit, if a customer walks into a dealership, asks to drive a vehicle with a manual transmission, and the salesperson returns with the keys to a vehicle equipped with DCT transmission, the customer will not respond positively. The opposite situation is also true for what should be very clear and obvious reasons. All this is to say that, when we partition the set of transmissions over the means in which a user interacts with them - which is exactly what the transmission classes "automatic" and "manual" are intended to do - the mechanical details of the transmission are wholly irrelevant. It is therefore a fallacy to consider such properties when partitioning in this manner. This, by the way, does not mean that there is no place for discussion about the merits of one type of automatic transmission verses another type. It simply means that such discussion is not on topic in this thread. |
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The DCT saved BMWs M line. Three letters: SMG. Let us never forget how absolutely awful the SMG tranny was and how it devalued the dynamic and fantastic e46 M3s. Drive one. Their terrible. And costly to own ( beyond the norm ) God even the sacred CSL is cursed with such a tranny. Not even an option for a third pedal. Those that are still surviving are preferred in manual and are worth more accordingly. I prefer these cars in manual. Turbos or no turbos aside.
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The F90 M5 is an automatic transmission and they seem to be selling fine minus the DCT option (and the 6MT for that matter).
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But yes, the majority of dealers will automatically push for a DCT/Auto sadly. |
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Hell, do that in a flat 6 air cooled 911.....or a 360 modena, Carrera GT with that pure racing v10 in a manual only or a murcielago lambo with all 12 italian cylinders screaming at the top of their lungs to 8K...jesus what happened to cars??? They quickly went from grabbing your soul to....just sales? Anyways..... |
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