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      03-13-2019, 04:29 PM   #1
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New Corvette delayed because it's too powerful, report says

News on the new Corvette.

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/new-cor...owerful-report

According to a new report by Hagerty, development of the new mid-engine Corvette is delayed partly due to the aluminum frame warping so much when the car accelerates, that the glass engine cover is busting. The car, which has a twin-turbocharged V8 hybrid powertrain, is said to be able to deliver as much as 1,000 horsepower.

A base Stingray model could feature a 500 hp 6.2-liter V8 and cost as little as $60,000, according to sources who spoke with Hagerty.
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News on the new Corvette.

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/new-cor...owerful-report

According to a new report by Hagerty, development of the new mid-engine Corvette is delayed partly due to the aluminum frame warping so much when the car accelerates, that the glass engine cover is busting. The car, which has a twin-turbocharged V8 hybrid powertrain, is said to be able to deliver as much as 1,000 horsepower.

A base Stingray model could feature a 500 hp 6.2-liter V8 and cost as little as $60,000, according to sources who spoke with Hagerty.
I think past Corvette always had engines that the chassis couldn't handle. Only up till the C7 that they actually addressed that problem. With the new mid-engine chassis, I guess old habits die hard after all.

1000HP? I don't think the same formula - enormous hp with crappy chassis - will work anymore. The mid-engine is going to play in the big league. It seems a bit too late in the development cycle to find out. Corvette strikes again.

Oh, by the way, hopefully they got rid of the leaf springs.
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Too Powerful? What the actual fuck. I remember when 225 HP Mustang was hot, now you've got 700HP showroom cars like the Demon and Hellcat......I say bring it, what could possibly go wrong....
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Too Powerful? What the actual fuck. I remember when 225 HP Mustang was hot, now you've got 700HP showroom cars like the Demon and Hellcat......I say bring it, what could possibly go wrong....
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OK, so the old joke "How many ways can a Mustang crash existing a meet?" lols

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I say bring it, what could possibly go
The handling?
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      03-13-2019, 05:02 PM   #7
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Shit I think the current ZR1 is like 700HP isn't it?

Edit: 755HP and 715ft/lbs
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They say it’s too powerful because it’s bending the chassis. That doesn’t mean it’s too powerful.


That means your chassis is absolute shit.
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They say it’s too powerful because it’s bending the chassis. That doesn’t mean it’s too powerful.


That means your chassis is absolute shit.
Absolute a bit harsh. Maybe just shit.
But Chevy will fix....maybe adding a "counter-twister" to the frame...kinda like a balance shaft.
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Absolute a bit harsh. Maybe just shit.
But Chevy will fix....maybe adding a "counter-twister" to the frame...kinda like a balance shaft.
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The mid-engine is going to play in the big league.
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I don't think there's a snowflake's chance in hell it will actually play in the big leagues.

The current Z06 has stupid power already and also has decent handling. But when you get into a 100k car that smells like epoxy, or drive it and hear creaks and vibrations from the stereo playing at normal volume... you realize what you've bought.

It's sad as I would like to buy an American car. But I drove a Z06 and a Camaro SS this week, there is absolutely no way I would buy one with my own money. Impossible.
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I don't think there's a snowflake's chance in hell it will actually play in the big leagues.

The current Z06 has stupid power already and also has decent handling. But when you get into a 100k car that smells like epoxy, or drive it and hear creaks and vibrations from the stereo playing at normal volume... you realize what you've bought.

It's sad as I would like to buy an American car. But I drove a Z06 and a Camaro SS this week, there is absolutely no way I would buy one with my own money. Impossible.
Well that has been the Corvette formula. I don't think I have to drive it to know. I am not an interior guy so I don't really care about the Corvette or Camaro having low quality interiors - given their performance for the price.

I think the current C7 and Camaro chasis are pretty good. I have no beef with the current GM. But with respect to the mid-engine Corvette, I think it's a mistake for GM to have a crappy chassis with tons of HP to sell at a lower price. I don't think GM needs to revisit that era now they have gotten very reputation with the current C7 and Camaro.
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In my eyes....the perfect balance model of Corvette was the C6Z..... if left unmodified. I had one for a short period when they came out, and it was probably the best stock platform from Corvette that I had driven.

Even in stock form, it takes a very skilled driver to take advantage of what it has to offer.

I sold it, and bought a newer Z51 equipped C6 a little later and modified it slightly. Just changed up the delivery of the power range....plus it's cheaper on insurance.

Not sure what they are trying to accomplish with the next generation, but it makes me wonder who is making the decisions.

The Z51 equipped C7 is nice and solid from my experience, but I'm still not sold on the aesthetics of it. All cars have their shortcomings, so you can pick apart most anything.

I wish the C6Z would have been an FRC body style. I would have kept it. And for the price, it's a fun car that you don't have to worry about treating it with kids gloves as it isn't anything special that would make you think it's a garage queen!
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how i interpret this, is it isn't rigid enough.
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So basically, there’s so much torque, the chassis twisted coming off the line.
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So basically, there's so much torque, the chassis twisted coming off the line.
test driver is probably granny shifting- not double clutching like he should.
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Well that has been the Corvette formula. I don't think I have to drive it to know. I am not an interior guy so I don't really care about the Corvette or Camaro having low quality interiors - given their performance for the price.

I think the current C7 and Camaro chasis are pretty good. I have no beef with the current GM. But with respect to the mid-engine Corvette, I think it's a mistake for GM to have a crappy chassis with tons of HP to sell at a lower price. I don't think GM needs to revisit that era now they have gotten very reputation with the current C7 and Camaro.
The same lack of drive for quality when it comes to the interior applies everywhere. That's why they released a 100k car that limps within a lap

I'd be fine and crap interiors but a drivetrain that performs flawlessly, but that is not the case. A guy with a ZL1 1LE had his spool shocks crap out within 4k miles because 'his roads are bad'.

I wish they had spent the money they are wasting going 'mid engine' -answering a question no one asked- to build a better car.

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The same lack of drive for quality when it comes to the interior applies everywhere. That's why they released a 100k car that limps within a lap

I'd be fine and crap interiors but a drivetrain that performs flawlessly, but that is not the case. A guy with a ZL1 1LE had his spool shocks crap out within 4k miles because 'his roads are bad'.

I wish they had spent the money they are wasting going 'mid engine' -answering a question no one asked- to build a better car.
As much as people want to rationalize that a ZL1 1LE is a DD, it’s not, it’s a hardcore track machine. I’m sure rough roads would screw it up, I have an SS 1LE, it’s definitely firm, but the ZL1 version is way more rigid, solid mounts, etc.
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i had a 13 ss 1le and a 15 zl1. you can call them junk as much as you want. but those things carried a 100k mile warranty that included track use. you blow the engine, tranny, axel on the track and its covered. Its hard to get BMW to cover a leaky valve stem.
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I'd bet GM uses the same finite element analysis engineering design tools that BMW uses. I remember the issue of E46 rear subframe cracking at far less HP than 1,000 (more like 200). LOL
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I wish they had spent the money they are wasting going 'mid engine' -answering a question no one asked- to build a better car.
In some way, the reality is inevitable that they have to go mid-engine. The Camaro performance is already stepping on the Corvette's toes. Just like the live-axle Mustang, there is not much more you can do to the current Corvette chassis so the only way to grow is going mid-engine. The itch of going mid has already been there awhile back.

As far as interior, as I said it's not something I would get worked up.
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I'd bet GM uses the same finite element analysis engineering design tools that BMW uses. I remember the issue of E46 rear subframe cracking at far less HP than 1,000 (more like 200). LOL
The problem in the Corvette seems to be the opposite. The M3 subframe is not strong enough so the force breaks it before it can extend to the chassis frame. On the Corvette, the subframe is stronger so the force gets to affect the entire car frame and warp it.

My beef with GM is their twisted logic. It's like they always want to cramp as much hp as possible then asked if the chassis can handle it and before they can find out, it's too late in the design cycle. Adding a cross bar here and there to strengthen the chassis is too much like 1980's garage technique - it's like a guy using some fancy words to impress people. You have to build the chassis to handle the engine from the ground up. It's a bad habits that they were able to overcome lately but it seems like the mid-engine chassis got them into a bit of a withdrawal.
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