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      10-31-2020, 04:36 PM   #89
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E90 and e92 are one of the best designs in the world. The rwd, size, 50/50, steering, practicality, simplicity and I6 turbo or NA is unmatched. I wish P would build a car like E90. They would sell like hot cakes.

Just sit and drive. I think I will always have one.
The e90 was good but far from perfect. The gear spacing wasn't the best for the 335d, and peeling of interior door handles / steering wheel was all too common, exterior windshield and rear window trim pieces would deteriorate quite rapidly in hot climates as well. The 330i (N52?) had that horrible valve tap.
I have no experience with 335d.

The cosmetic issues are minor from my experience but I don't live in Arizona (an example) and consider that climate an extreme. Unfortunately bmw used gum on some interior parts and e46 interior was the worst when it comes to parts peeling.

The N52 does have lifter tick but once you rev it and get the oil moving it's gone. Overall I consider them very durable cars and we are seeing them now approach 200k+ mi. The versatily and driver-machine interface is wonderful at that price point.

My biggest gripe was no factory lsd option especially on 335i with all that tq at 1500 rpm.
I had both the 330i and 335d. On the 330, BMW revised the cylinder head and I was able to get them to have the work done under warranty. Thankfully I never had to contend with the broken head bolts. The engine drank oil but the car was a lease.

335d was the bees-knees on the highway. Simply fantastic and I was fortunate to not have to deal with carbon buildup issue. It took BMW 2-3 yrs to develop the process and tools for cleaning the intake because the length of the runners within the cylinder head.
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Guys reviews are so dry.
You never get a full understanding or appreciation of the car.
More of a YouTube star than motoring journalist.
Agree. He's an 'influencer' as are many You Tubers. Hard to find good, unbiased motoring journalism these days
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BMW is doing that all on their own, they don't need any help.

Just because something is new doesn't necessarily make it better.
With all due respect, I'm going to be shocked if the G80/G22 is objectively worse in performance than the F80/F32. Would this not be a first for BMW to make a worse objectively worse than a prior generation and make absolutely no damn business sense?

I posted the Nring guesstimate thread and color me shocked, 2 f80 owners actually think it will be slower around the nring despite better power to weight.

I call this delusional and that is where I stop, and where we are can't have a thoughtful discussion given myopic preconceived notions
A car is more than just its 0-60 times.

Meanwhile we have a car that's bigger, heavier, downgrade in tech (8AT), lost distinctive BMW cues and subjectively is an uglier design.

But hey, they made it faster so that means it's "better"
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Put the F 32 front end on it and you've got yourself a car.
I agree... as well as sorting out the rear quarter, which looks like a fat ar*e Merc. Wonderful car to drive from the sound of it, only let down by the cr*p exterior design.
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Huge fan of Black 🖤 wheels/rims! The problem is BMW is offering them in glossy black with a very tacky clear-coat which is an absolute pain to keep clean 🧽.

BMW the black rims should be a satin or matte finish!
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Huge fan of Black 🖤 wheels/rims! The problem is BMW is offering them in glossy black with a very tacky clear-coat which is an absolute pain to keep clean 🧽.

BMW the black rims should be a satin or matte finish!
You can always get the M performance 20 inch matte black wheels
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I seen car and driver reviewed the M440i xdrive at 3.8 0-60 also. It'll be interesting to see the M3/4 competition and M3/4 competition xdrives performance specs.
I posted this as the first thing in the official stickied post.

stage 1 flash tuned S58s in X3M SUVs bone stock with ethanol are running 3.0s 0-60s and that car is hundreds of pounds more than the G8x.

I feel like when we get driving reviews, the performance will not be disappointing.
You keep talking about straight line times.

The more important question is ... has BMW fixed its poor shock damping, basic traction/stability control systems, and cabin noises.
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You keep talking about straight line times.

The more important question is ... has BMW fixed its poor shock damping, basic traction/stability control systems, and cabin noises.
What other quantifiable measure can we work off of? Obviously I talk about straight line times as this is basically all we have at this point.....Ultimately I think Nring times are most important and agreed on the most important questions, in addition to how will it handle / corner with the extra weight.

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The e90 was good but far from perfect. The gear spacing wasn't the best for the 335d, and peeling of interior door handles / steering wheel was all too common, exterior windshield and rear window trim pieces would deteriorate quite rapidly in hot climates as well. The 330i (N52?) had that horrible valve tap.
I can tell you that BMW is still using the same peeling plastic in current vehicle. Planned obsolescence at its greatest at BMW.
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A car is more than just its 0-60 times.

Meanwhile we have a car that's bigger, heavier, downgrade in tech (8AT), lost distinctive BMW cues and subjectively is an uglier design.

But hey, they made it faster so that means it's "better"
Exactly. These "enthusiasts" believe that faster track times is the end all of an objectively overall better car.

That is completely false. Faster track or drag times is literally just one factor in what makes a car better or improved.

I have no doubt the G8x will be faster than the F8x in most if not all numbers, but it is most definitely worse in many other factors, which when combining all factors together, does not objectively mean a better car.

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A quantum leap improvement in steering feel.
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A car is more than just its 0-60 times.

Meanwhile we have a car that's bigger, heavier, downgrade in tech (8AT), lost distinctive BMW cues and subjectively is an uglier design.

But hey, they made it faster so that means it's "better"
Exactly. These "enthusiasts" believe that faster track times is the end all of an objectively overall better car.

That is completely false. Faster track or drag times is literally just one factor in what makes a car better or improved.

I have no doubt the G8x will be faster than the F8x in most if not all numbers, but it is most definitely worse in many other factors, which when combining all factors together, does not objectively mean a better car.
The only objective merit is performance. Performance improvements are the only measurement by which opinion is invalid. EVERYTHING else is subjective, so there's nothing else "definitive." The opinions regarding aesthetics, feel, shifter, materials, etc. all vary from person to person, so to state that certain things are "most definitely worse" renders your opinion the only conclusive/valid one. Maybe they are/will be worse from your vantage point, but not necessarily someone else's.
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The only objective merit is performance. Performance improvements are the only measurement by which opinion is invalid. EVERYTHING else is subjective, so there's nothing else "definitive." The opinions regarding aesthetics, feel, shifter, materials, etc. all vary from person to person, so to state that certain things are "most definitely worse" renders your opinion the only conclusive/valid one. Maybe they are/will be worse from your vantage point, but not necessarily someone else's.
We're on an enthusiasts website, most of us don't buy cars based on performance alone. If we did, we'd all be over on Rennlist.

A vehicle that is larger and heavier is objectively worse when it comes to performance metrics. Just because it might be faster in certain regards, those two objective metrics have a negative detriment. You need more brakes, more cooling, more tire, more everything to deal with the increase. That's not a positive attribute.
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The only objective merit is performance. Performance improvements are the only measurement by which opinion is invalid. EVERYTHING else is subjective, so there's nothing else "definitive." The opinions regarding aesthetics, feel, shifter, materials, etc. all vary from person to person, so to state that certain things are "most definitely worse" renders your opinion the only conclusive/valid one. Maybe they are/will be worse from your vantage point, but not necessarily someone else's.
We're on an enthusiasts website, most of us don't buy cars based on performance alone. If we did, we'd all be over on Rennlist.

A vehicle that is larger and heavier is objectively worse when it comes to performance metrics. Just because it might be faster in certain regards, those two objective metrics have a negative detriment. You need more brakes, more cooling, more tire, more everything to deal with the increase. That's not a positive attribute.
I never asserted that we did. In fact, I've stated in the past that performance isn't everything.

A vehicle that is larger/heavier is not always objectively worse. Sure, more weight isn't something that we prefer, but it doesn't necessarily mean the car will perform worse. That is clearly evidenced when we take a car like the R35 and compare it to an F8X, for example. That car out performs our lighter, smaller BMW's by a significant margin. The heavier, more feature/amenity laden current model GT3 out performs its lighter predecessor.
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I never asserted that we did. In fact, I've stated in the past that performance isn't everything.
Right, but performance is not the only objective metric.

What if the engine overheats after 4 laps?
What if the brakes fade after 3 laps?

Etc, etc.

All things that are directly affected by an increase in weight and size.
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I never asserted that we did. In fact, I've stated in the past that performance isn't everything.
Right, but performance is not the only objective metric.

What if the engine overheats after 4 laps?
What if the brakes fade after 3 laps?

Etc, etc.

All things that are directly affected by an increase in weight and size.
It is! You just illustrated my point. Engine performance, brake performance, etc.....all qualitative; all measurable, unlike the subjective fodder tossed around these forums.
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It is! You just illustrated my point. Engine performance, brake performance, etc.....all qualitative; all measurable, unlike the subjective fodder tossed around these forums.
I think we're in violent agreement.

An increase in size and weight is bad and a negative attribute of this design.

Plus it looks ugly as sin.
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It is! You just illustrated my point. Engine performance, brake performance, etc.....all qualitative; all measurable, unlike the subjective fodder tossed around these forums.
I think we're in violent agreement.

An increase in size and weight is bad and a negative attribute of this design.

Plus it looks ugly as sin.
Haha! Agreed!

We, as a community, have this weight conversation every new model. It wasn't that long ago people were calling the then new E46 M3 a heavy pig. Fast forward to the F8X and we had people trying to strip everything they could out of the cars to save a few pounds. It's cyclical. People will do the same thing with this car, and the car after that too.
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Haha! Agreed!

We, as a community, have this weight conversation every new model. It wasn't that long ago people were calling the then new E46 M3 a heavy pig. Fast forward to the F8X and we had people trying to strip everything they could out of the cars to save a few pounds. It's cyclical. People will do the same thing with this car, and the car after that too.
True. But the F8x was the first time the weight went DOWN. It was obvious where the design philosphy of the car was for.

If I wanted a car to scream look at me, I would put a stupid racing stripe on it.
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Haha! Agreed!

We, as a community, have this weight conversation every new model. It wasn't that long ago people were calling the then new E46 M3 a heavy pig. Fast forward to the F8X and we had people trying to strip everything they could out of the cars to save a few pounds. It's cyclical. People will do the same thing with this car, and the car after that too.
True. But the F8x was the first time the weight went DOWN. It was obvious where the design philosphy of the car was for.

If I wanted a car to scream look at me, I would put a stupid racing stripe on it.
Like Mercedes, Porsche, BMW, etc. do on some of their cars?

It'll be interesting to see how much the G8X actually weighs when people receive their cars.
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